India to keenly watch PAF's `coming of age'

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    This is going to be biggest war got of its sort. ACs flying all over Pakistan. From one corner to another. It is also going to celebrate farewell to old PAF war doctorine & some old AirCrafts.

    The show up of JF-17 would be watch by Pakistan, Chinese & also the Indians.

    It will also be interesting to see PAF's Mirage-3 & 5 equiped & in action with their new MICA BVR Missiles from France.
     
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    If you're referring to ROSE-II and ROSE-III, then they cannot use the MICA BVR missiles, the only Mirage I think which could use them is the Mirage ROSE-I, which is based off Mirage-III. However I should note, there have been reports of PAF acquiring a BVR system back in 2003-2004, from South Africa apparently.

    I agree with you on the part about this excersize being revolutionary in the PAF's history, given that after this excersize, the new plan and procurement era will start. Over the next few years, if all goes well, the PAF will be inducting new F-16s, JF-17s, AWACS, new SAMs, changing their old ADS to a new modern one, etc.
     
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    Pakistan has the JF-17, yet China does not fly the FC-1 yet. Why is that? And are the JF-17s produced in Pakistan or China? Are there any differences between the JF-17 and FC-1, other than perhaps French avionics on the JF-17 and Russian ones on the FC-1?
     
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    i think the jf-17 is the export designation, while fc-1 was the name of the original project.
     
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    I thought the FC-1 was the export designation, JF-17 was the Pakistani designation, and J-9 the PLAAF designation (if it enters PLAAF service).
     
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    it won't enter plaaf service...althogh it would be a great way to replace the older migs. i think you may be right.
     
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    JF-17 seems to be the Pakistani designation, while FC-1 is export, but overall its the same fighter, except for the avionics and weapons perhaps, assuming PAF does get a Western avionics suite in the JF-17's 2nd or 3rd upgrade.
     
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    does that plane have engines jet ?
     
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    I guess u have missed out. In Paris Air Show one of the PAF Mirage-5 was displayed. It is said it was one othe most unique aircrafts one display. According to reports it had Letest French Radar & MICA on board. This was of ROSE-III upgrade. So the Mirage-3/5 ROSE-III can fire MICA missiles. Thats why the news said that PAF will test fire its new BVR missiles.

    What South Africa gave technology transfer of were BVR Bombs not BVRAAMs.

    PAF doesnt have JF-17 yet niether does PLAAF. Atleast not in status of fighter jets. These are prototypes which will fly in the show. They signify the modernization.

    Yes PAF JF-17 would be different from Chinese FC-1. PAF will equip JF-17 with different Radar & avionics (mostly western, most from France).

    FC-1 is Chinese version JF-17 is Pakistani version. The export version has also been named JF-17 but PAF JF-17 is going to be different in avionics & weapon system. e.g: It may carry French MICA missiles along with SD-10.

    J-9 was previous designation which both PAC & CAC decided to remove. PAF dint want to call it F-9. It sounded like inferior AC to F-16s. The main purpose was to make it superior to F-16A/B Block 15, 30 some versions of block 40.

    PLAAF is going to buy 200 FC-1s to replace some of its J-7/F-7 & Q-5/A-5 ACs.

    I guess if u read above you'll find ur answer.

    Yes...RD-93. China has about 100 of them. By the time PAC & CAC produce 50-50 FC-1/JF-17s respectively, the Chinese & Pakistanis would probably come up with RD-93's reverse engineered version for JF-17/FC-1.

    Russia is not selling any more RD-93 because of its use on Pakistani JF-17. But China as always has a way out :D

    Indians are thinking that Russians are doing this because of alliance between them while in reality Russia sees FC-1 & JF-17 as loss to its exports of MiG-29 & upgrading spare components market for MiG-21s & other old MiG versions. JF-17 is suppose to replace them remeber that.
     
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    That would hardly make sence given that the Pakistan Air Force is still one of those air forces with limited resources, and mere common sence dictates that an air force with limited resources would want to make full use of an expensive weapon. The Mirage ROSE-III does not have a radar, thus firing a MICA on it would be a waste given that a plane with a good radar would make better use of it. Sure, I'm not saying that PAF doesn't have MICA, but its extremely unlikely that the MICA is being used on ROSE-III, which is primarily a strike plane, without a radar (or a suffiecient enough one).

    As for the reports about it being fitted with the latest radar, I suggest you read about the ROSE III from AFM's past articles, and as you'll see, there is no mention of radar. Contact Munir if possible, as he or someone he knew went to the air show. ROSE III and ROSE II are the same thing, they're both from the Mirage V, only the ROSE-I has a radar which could use a BVRAAM.
     
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