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Abominable

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That's because Greece is right next to turkey. Where else do you think they are going to hold the drill?

Why dont you post actual poll data or real comments that says Saudis are not on at least ok terms with turkey?

Now that Erdogan looks like he will win, we will see how western press try to walk back all the stories of how turkey is terrible. Maybe we will see a color revolution attempted, who knows?
I don't think they've stopped saying that at any point. Turks didn't have a colour revolution, they had a straight up colour coup where hundreds died.

The only issue between Saudi and Turkey I can think of was that Saudi-US journalist (AKA CIA agent) who was killed in Istanbul. But that didn't last long and even the Americans forgave

Erdogan and the Saudis have a lot in common, they both are in favour of pushing Islamism in other countries but not their own. They had no problem working together in Syria.
 

resistance

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That's because Greece is right next to turkey. Where else do you think they are going to hold the drill?

Why dont you post actual poll data or real comments that says Saudis are not on at least ok terms with turkey?

Now that Erdogan looks like he will win, we will see how western press try to walk back all the stories of how turkey is terrible. Maybe we will see a color revolution attempted, who knows?
South Korea is near north Korea and US drill there because of north Korea. The same with Saudi Arabia.

Poll data is irrelevant for Saudi Arabia. Saudis recent actions is only thing relevant.
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Erdogan win is good since turkey will not able to get EU support. Improving relations with Greece will automatically makes EU less hostile to china if Erdogan stay.
 

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China actively boosting agricultural, food imports from Central Asia amid closer ties

By Global Times Published: May 17, 2023 10:52 PM


China + Central Asia (C+C5)  Photo: VCG

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China is actively boosting imports of quality agricultural and food products including grain, fruits and milk products from Central Asian countries, with over 100 types of products and 4,000 enterprises approved for such exports, injecting vitality into bilateral trade, Chinese customs said on Wednesday.

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was scheduled to be held in Xi'an, Northwest China's Shaanxi Province on Thursday and Friday, which is expected to inject further momentum for economic and trade cooperation.

In order to promote trade of agricultural and food products between China and Central Asian countries, China's General Administration of Customs (GAC) said it continues to expand a green channel (fast track) system, with eight channels already opened, covering all road ports.

The GAC said that it is making efforts to smooth trade with the five Central Asian countries - Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. It is also promoting normal passenger and cargo transport via road ports with bordering Central Asian countries, with the amount of cargo transported via some ports having exceeded pre-pandemic levels in 2019.

The GAC has also promoted the establishment of a cooperation mechanism among animal and plant inspection and quarantine departments of these countries in a bid to maintain biological security at borders, strengthened cross-border anti-epidemic work and technical exchanges, and boosted the imports of more quality and safe agricultural and food products from Central Asian countries, it said.

Agricultural cooperation has always been one of the key aspects of pragmatic cooperation between China and Central Asian countries, and the countries constantly promote high-quality cooperation in such sectors as upgraded agricultural product processing and international trade, laying a sound foundation for win-win outcomes and closer interconnectivity, said Zhao Gancheng, a research fellow from the Shanghai Institute for International Studies.

"Agricultural trade may be only a starting point, with greater trade potential between China and Central Asian countries to be released," Zhao told the Global Times on Wednesday, noting that a free trade zone may be set up among these countries.

Zhao also noted that the China-Central Asia Summit will inject fresh impetus into the high-quality development of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) by facilitating interconnectivity between China and the five Central Asian countries.

"Economic and trade cooperation, especially financial security, will likely be an important theme of the summit amid declining US dollar dominance. They may also come up with new ideas to increase infrastructure investment in Central Asian countries under the BRI framework," he said, while noting that such cooperation does not target other parties.

Central Asia is where the BRI was first proposed and it has become a pacesetter for connectivity. China and Central Asian countries have jointly implemented major projects that have benefited the region and its people in a variety of ways, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said on Tuesday.

For example, the China-Kazakhstan Horgos International Border Cooperation Center and the China-Kazakhstan Logistics Base in Lianyungang have been completed, providing a gateway to the Pacific for Central Asian countries. About 80 percent of the China-Europe Railway Express trains run through Central Asia. They are a steel caravan for the Eurasian continent.

In 2022, total trade between China and Central Asian countries hit a record high of $70 billion. China's imports of agricultural and mineral products from these countries grew more than 50 percent year-on-year last year, official data showed.​
 

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South Korea is near north Korea and US drill there because of north Korea. The same with Saudi Arabia.

Poll data is irrelevant for Saudi Arabia. Saudis recent actions is only thing relevant.
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Erdogan win is good since turkey will not able to get EU support. Improving relations with Greece will automatically makes EU less hostile to china if Erdogan stay.
Wait, your proof of Saudis on bad terms with turkey is because they complained about turkey 4 years ago? Do you want to see how often they have complained about Iran?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The Duran has a good look at the Turkey election
I think there is little doubt Erdogan will approach China for warmer ties. No need for China to do anything other than making deals toward its own interests.

Another big deal is China's gain influence in Latin America.
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if Brazil and Argentina buy weapons from China, it would be a big deal. But let's hope they can make some in road toward Colombia under the Gustavo Petro administration.
Brazil has to be treated carefully. They're much larger, more technologically advanced and independent than other Latin American countries, as well as being linguistically unique. I think offering them ToT is better than just sales.
 

taxiya

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The China and Central Asian summit is a good start, let China and all the central Asian states integrated as deep as China and Pakistan or US and Canada before letting Turkey in SCO. To put it bluntly, China is building central Asia as backyard and there is no room for another ambitious leader.

Historical reference is Dzungar Khanate. Galdan tried to challenge Qing's supremicy on the Mongol step by telling Kangxi emperor "You the emperor rule the south, while I rule the north". That led the first war. After all the legal claimants to Dzungar throne were elimated and Dzungar was divided in four parts, Amursana (grandson of Galdan on the daughter's side) was appointed as one of four Khans of the devided Oriat. But with the ambition of being leader of all Oriats, he demanded being the Khan of an unified Dzungar again. That led to the second war. And this time Qing finished off, no more Dzungar Khans.

The parralle to today would be someone wants to join SCO but also want to be a leader of subgroup within SCO, that is nothing China would accept, and China learnt that from the hard way.
 

BoraTas

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I don't think they've stopped saying that at any point. Turks didn't have a colour revolution, they had a straight up colour coup where hundreds died.

The only issue between Saudi and Turkey I can think of was that Saudi-US journalist (AKA CIA agent) who was killed in Istanbul. But that didn't last long and even the Americans forgave

Erdogan and the Saudis have a lot in common, they both are in favour of pushing Islamism in other countries but not their own. They had no problem working together in Syria.
Saudi-Turkish relations were actually quite bad. The summarize, Turkey of the early 2010s tried to build its own sphere of influence in the middle east by supporting various groups and intervening in civil wars caused by the Arab Spring. There were some short lived successes too. One of the groups Turkey supported was Muslim Brotherhood which was a terrorist organization according to Saudi Arabia. Saudi-Turkish relations were so bad at one point that Saudis were blocking imports from Turkey and not giving visas to Turkish citizens. Saudi Arabia also supported the Greek coalition during tensions related to Eastern Mediterranean.

This all changed after the US started to pull out from the Middle East. Also during these times Covid happened, the Turkish economy went bad and Turkey started to feel really lonely. Saudis were also uncertain about the future at this point. This is when both sides decided to normalize relations. Things look calm now but make no mistake, both sides don't trust each other.
 

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Saudi-Turkish relations were actually quite bad. The summarize, Turkey of the early 2010s tried to build its own sphere of influence in the middle east by supporting various groups and intervening in civil wars caused by the Arab Spring. There were some short lived successes too. One of the groups Turkey supported was Muslim Brotherhood which was a terrorist organization according to Saudi Arabia. Saudi-Turkish relations were so bad at one point that Saudis were blocking imports from Turkey and not giving visas to Turkish citizens. Saudi Arabia also supported the Greek coalition during tensions related to Eastern Mediterranean.

This all changed after the US started to pull out from the Middle East. Also during these times Covid happened, the Turkish economy went bad and Turkey started to feel really lonely. Saudis were also uncertain about the future at this point. This is when both sides decided to normalize relations. Things look calm now but make no mistake, both sides don't trust each other.
Unironically the Saudi MoD attended the roll-out of Turkey's future frontline fighter (while they pulled out of the annual Anatolian Eagle exercise at the same time), I think even the people in charge don't know what is going on with mutual relations. They also seem to be confused what to do with it.

Tbh this is not surprising at least to me. Gulf Regimes seem to have this natural ability to quickly make shallow friends and foes.
 

gelgoog

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Saudi Arabia fought a bloody war of independence to get rid of Ottoman control back in WWI.
The Turks also have good relations with Qatar. While Saudi Arabia has terrible relations with Qatar.
Currently Saudi-Turk relations have defrosted somewhat but there is natural mistrust between the Arabs and the Turks in general.
 

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Saudi Arabia fought a bloody war of independence to get rid of Ottoman control back in WWI.
The Turks also have good relations with Qatar. While Saudi Arabia has terrible relations with Qatar.
Currently Saudi-Turk relations have defrosted somewhat but there is natural mistrust between the Arabs and the Turks in general.
You are right about the mistrust but also deeply wrong about the Saudi relations with Qatar. They famously made up 2 years ago(?) and now they're better than ever. They used to be rivals but now they are best friends as there seems to be a crack between the Saudi-Emirati alliance for a while.

As I said, you gotta be careful if you want to have relations with Gulf states. They are quick to normalize but also they can infamously sell you out. The Saudi-Iran agreement has built up hope for China but dozens of such events happened in the past for no avail. This time the purpose of it seems to be for buying some more time for both sides.
 
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