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[ACuriousPLAFan]

Recent update:
The Embassy of the People's Republic of China in Khartoum, Sudan is currently tabulating the number of Chinese nationals in Sudan that are willing to be evacuated from Sudan.

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Meanwhile, it is alleged that at least one Y-20 will be involved in the emergency evacuation of Chinese nationals from Sudan. Djibouti is likely to be designated for the immediate basing of Chinese nationals that has been evacuated from Sudan before returning to China.

For other countries:
US diplomatic staffs and their family members in Sudan have been evacuated from the US Embassy in Khartoum.

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It has been reported that a Royal Saudi Arabian Navy warship has docked in Port Sudan to evacuate citizens of Saudi Arabia and other countries, including Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Egypt, Tunisia, Pakistan, India, Bulgaria, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Canada, and Burkina Faso.

Meanwhile, military transport planes from UK, Belgium, France, Germany etc are en-route to Sudan/neighboring countries in order to evacuate their citizens from Sudan.

 

[Eventine]

Regardless of China's internal private views, I think it was a big mistake and terrible look to say this publicly, especially at a time where China can gain a TON of ex-Soviet Central Asian influence due to their mistrust of Russia due to the invasion.

I also think this was a mistake, but honestly, countries like Lithuania have been acting up for a while. The lesson should be that if you choose to act as an American proxy and disrespect Chinese sovereignty, then China also has no obligation to respect your sovereignty. Unfortunately the ambassador's poor choice of words also disrespected other Eastern European countries that were either sitting on the side lines or were actual Chinese partners.

Should've just left it at "China respects the sovereignty of all countries, except those that disrespect Chinese sovereignty." Instead of handing the West a free propaganda win.

 

[getready]

Regardless of China's internal private views, I think it was a big mistake and terrible look to say this publicly, especially at a time where China can gain a TON of ex-Soviet Central Asian influence due to their mistrust of Russia due to the invasion.

Nah the dumplings states like Lithuania Poland Estonia have made their choices and choose to be in sinophobic US NATO side even shitting on Chinese red line on Taiwan. Forget them, screw them, feck whatever. China needs to make it clear they can’t just be in US cano and screw around Taiwan.
Kazakh however is still firmly in SCO and sino Russia side. there is no worries of them at this moment to switch sides

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Recent update:
The Embassy of the People's Republic of China in Khartoum, Sudan is currently tabulating the number of Chinese nationals in Sudan that are willing to be evacuated from Sudan.

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Meanwhile, it is alleged that at least one Y-20 will be involved in the emergency evacuation of Chinese nationals from Sudan. Djibouti is likely to be designated for the immediate basing of Chinese nationals that has been evacuated from Sudan before returning to China.

Assuming a worst-case scenario:

A Y-20A (with Russian engines) is reported to have a maximum payload of around 55 tons. Assuming cargo payload weight from passenger suitcases, belongings, medical supplies etc taking up around 10 tons, that leaves around 45 tons of payload capacity for passengers.

From the National Statistics Bureau of China, the average body weights of Chinese males and Chinese females are ~70 kilograms and ~60 kilograms respectively.

The most recently available information indicated that there are likely around 2500 Chinese nationals currently in Sudan, most of which are located within and around Khartoum. Assuming a 80% male and 20% female composition, the total weight of these Chinese nationals would be around 170000 kilograms, or ~170 tons.

Assuming the number of Chinese nationals is accurate:
170 tons of Chinese nationals / 45 tons of payload per Y-20A = 3.778 Y-20As required.

This means that the operation would require at least 4x Y-20As SORTIES to completely evacuate all Chinese nationals currently in Sudan.

However, 2500 Chinese nationals / 4x Y-20A sorties = 625 passengers per plane.

It would be very cramped to fit 625 passengers on a Y-20A, so let's reduce that number to 500 passengers per Y-20A.

Therefore, at least 5x Y-20A SORTIES are required to completely evacuate all Chinese nationals currently in Sudan.

On the other hand, carrying a full payload means that the Y-20A(s) wouldn't be able to fly very far, since the fuel carried onboard has to be significantly reduced in order to not exceed the maximum takeoff weight of the Y-20A(s). This would require the Y-20A(s) to conduct mid-air refueling once the evacuated Chinese nationals are onboard, in case the Y-20A(s) have to fly to allied airport/air base that are further away.

The classic example is the US C-17 evacuation from Kabul during the Fall of Kabul in August 2021.
The C-17s involved in the evacuation of Afghan civilians carried up to around 640-670 people per aircraft. It has been reported that the C-17s require refueling as soon as they lifted off from Kabul International Airport in order to be able to make their way to US bases on the Arabian Peninsula.

TL; DR - It would be good for China to send not just at least two Y-20A strategic transport aircrafts to Djibouti and Sudan, but perhaps at least one YY-20A aerial tanker too.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

However, 2500 Chinese nationals / 4x Y-20A sorties = 625 passengers per plane.

It would be very cramped to fit 625 passengers on a Y-20A, so let's reduce that number to 500 passengers per Y-20A.

Therefore, at least 5x Y-20A SORTIES are required to completely evacuate all Chinese nationals.

Addition:
In case the PLAAF has sufficient spare capacity available for more Y-20As to be sent to Djibouti and Sudan, then at least 5x Y-20A sorties is preferred.

 

[GTI]

Assuming a worst-case scenario:

A Y-20A (with Russian engines) is reported to have a maximum payload of around 55 tons. Assuming cargo payload weight from passenger suitcases, belongings, medical supplies etc taking up around 10 tons, that leaves around 45 tons of payload capacity for passengers.

From the National Statistics Bureau of China, the average body weights of Chinese males and Chinese females are ~70 kilograms and ~60 kilograms respectively.

The most recently available information indicated that there are likely around 2500 Chinese nationals currently in Sudan, most of which are located within and around Khartoum. Assuming a 80% male and 20% female composition, the total weight of these Chinese nationals would be around 170000 kilograms, or ~170 tons.

Assuming the number of Chinese nationals is accurate:
170 tons of Chinese nationals / 45 tons of payload per Y-20A = 3.778 Y-20As required.

This means that the operation would require at least 4x Y-20As SORTIES to completely evacuate all Chinese nationals currently in Sudan.

However, 2500 Chinese nationals / 4x Y-20A sorties = 625 passengers per plane.

It would be very cramped to fit 625 passengers on a Y-20A, so let's reduce that number to 500 passengers per Y-20A.

Therefore, at least 5x Y-20A SORTIES are required to completely evacuate all Chinese nationals currently in Sudan.

On the other hand, carrying a full payload means that the Y-20A(s) wouldn't be able to fly very far, since the fuel carried onboard has to be significantly reduced in order to not exceed the maximum takeoff weight of the Y-20A(s). This would require the Y-20A(s) to conduct mid-air refueling once the evacuated Chinese nationals are onboard, in case the Y-20A(s) have to fly to allied airport/air base that are further away.

The classic example is the US C-17 evacuation from Kabul during the Fall of Kabul in August 2021.View attachment 111454
The C-17s involved in the evacuation of Afghan civilians carried up to around 640-670 people per aircraft. It has been reported that the C-17s require refueling as soon as they lifted off from Kabul International Airport in order to be able to make their way to US bases on the Arabian Peninsula.

TL; DR - It would be good for China to send not just at least two Y-20A strategic transport aircrafts to Djibouti and Sudan, but perhaps at least one YY-20A aerial tanker too.

And how are the Y-20As getting refuelled exactly?

Just send 8 Y-20s to Djibouti international airport, and begin ferrying people over. Hopefully just 6 sorties (6x Y-20 with 2 reserve in Djibouti) will sort it all out.

Can possibly swap Djibouti for Egypt, Ethiopia or a suitably friendly and safe nation.

8 Y-20s with big PRC flags on vert stabs would be great PR and optics (I can already see the copium headlines now)… of course this all requires some stability on the ground and a safe corridor from Khartoum to Port Sudan.

(if I had it my way, the Hainan would’ve set sail over a week ago too).

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

And how are the Y-20As getting refuelled exactly?

Just send 8 Y-20s to Djibouti international airport, and begin ferrying people over. Hopefully just 6 sorties (6x Y-20 with 2 reserve in Djibouti) will sort it all out.

Can possibly swap Djibouti for Egypt, Ethiopia or a suitably friendly and safe nation.

8 Y-20s with big PRC flags on vert stabs would be great PR and optics (I can already see the copium headlines now)… of course this all requires some stability on the ground and a safe corridor from Khartoum to Port Sudan.

(if I had it my way, the Hainan would’ve set sail over a week ago too).

Shoot, I forgot Y-20As do not have mid-air refueling capability. My mistake.

Well, I guess here's another valuable lesson to be picked up by the PLAAF and AVIC.

Meanwhile, apparently there are plans to evacuate foreign citizens directly from Khartoum airport. If that's true, that saves the effort of establishing and maintaining a land corridor to Port Sudan for evacuation, except for those who couldn't made it to those evacuation planes in time.

Besides, I'm thinking that if the Y-20Bs are ready for service, they should be sent there as well. Y-20Bs should have bigger payload capacity than Y-20As, hence more passengers and cargo can be carried onboard per sortie.

 

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A Delaware man admitted he drunkenly

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and swiped it​

The sculptures, which are dated from 210 to 209 BC, were on loan from China and are a "priceless part" of the country's cultural heritage, the FBI said.

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The US political right descends into a cartoonish version of evil:

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WSWS

A basic litmus test for whether a society is moving forward or backward is its treatment of the most vulnerable, including the youth. What emerges in the US, therefore, is a picture of a country moving rapidly in reverse, driven by a deep and intractable economic, political and social crisis.

As a matter of fact, the ruling class has been systematically attacking the living standards of workers for nearly a half-century. But one gets a sense that particularly in the last few years, conditioned by the massive crisis unleashed by the pandemic, a certain inflection point has been reached.

The right of children to a childhood, a social achievement won only through bitter struggle, along with every social gain made over the course of more than a century, is now being junked. The conditions of life of the working class increasingly are coming to resemble those of the 19th century.

These include:

• The eight hour day and five day workweek. In factories across the US, it is not uncommon for workers to be kept on the job for
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• Workplace safety regulations. These have been gutted and regulatory agencies left underfunded, leading to a series of horrifying industrial accidents, such as workers
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• The right to an education. The public school system is being hived off into the private sector in the form of charter schools, an estimated trillion-dollar growth sector. In the cities of Detroit and New Orleans, the majority of schools are now charter. Meanwhile, school districts around the country are
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• Public health. The abandonment of the official response to the pandemic has led to more than 1 million deaths in the United States alone. Advances in medical science, which could have been used to contain the spread of disease and even methods known for centuries, such as contact tracing and quarantining, have been brushed off on the grounds that they are “too costly” to “the economy.”

 

[Biscuits]

Regardless of China's internal private views, I think it was a big mistake and terrible look to say this publicly, especially at a time where China can gain a TON of ex-Soviet Central Asian influence due to their mistrust of Russia due to the invasion.

A generalised statement like that is just not good because there are some post soviet states that are on China's side while there's obviously other ones which deserve to have their enemies armed by China.

Make the distinction between friend and foe.

 

[Overbom]

A generalised statement like that is just not good because there are some post soviet states that are on China's side while there's obviously other ones which deserve to have their enemies armed by China.

Make the distinction between friend and foe.

That ambassador to France has been throwing similar stinkers for a year now. Its still a miracle how he has survived this far. It will be another miracle if he isn't replaced in the near future.

For anyone else, China doesn't announce a switch of strategic-level positions during a TV interview. There is a long process of internal messaging, subtle diplomatic speak and maybe if you are lucky, a couple of years later the People's Daily will run an article about it.

So yeah, the ambassador's comments dont represent PRC's official position given how out of the blue his comments were

Anyway, these comments are a diplomatic L for China