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Virtup

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Overbom said:
Strategic diplomacy isn't the same thousands of years ago as it is today. That should be obvious enough


I am just calculating the most realistic actions for each country. For example, do you imagine MBS going to a sudden powertrip and going against Israel unprovoked?

Countries are ruled by humans, so human emotions are of course involved. But we are talking about strategic actions here, not meaningless statements. Strategic decisions are performed by the deep state / national security establishment of each country.

I honestly can't see the national security establishment of a strategically mature country to make such a strange decision. Of course noone could be certain, I am just saying its unlikely.

Until 2040 Israel should be safe enough IMO, and after that, Palestine would be weakened to such a degree that Israel could take a step "back", give face to the Arabs, and agree to a deal with Palestine
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You still don't understand. When it comes to things that involve massive doses of emotions like religion, strategy goes out the window. Here's an example, what happened in Pakistan when a frensh ambassador said something offensive about prophet Mohammed? The country was quickly destaibilized, with massive riots everywhere, and the public forced a response from leadership that wasn't strategically sound. Second example, what is the basis for BJP's rule in India? and what kind of effect did that have on their "strategic" choices (especially when it comes to China)? Why is a big chunk of their population inhaling a large dose of copium? Think about it?
Deep state/ national security stands no chance in front of an angry, dogmatic mob. And while you refuse to acknowledge this fact, statesmen do (the decent ones anyway). It's the reason someone like Trump managed to become president (to a lesser degree), and it will most likely be the reason of the US's collapse.
 
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Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu Criticizes America and Europe
In a bold statement, Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu has claimed that "the whole world hates America" while suggesting that Europe is merely a pawn of the United States. Soylu further downplayed Europe's significance, asserting that it is a trend in America's column.

Soylu's Comments Reflect Anti-American Sentiments
Süleyman Soylu's remarks reflect a growing anti-American sentiment in some segments of the international community. By claiming that "the whole world hates America," Soylu is highlighting the perception that the United States is losing credibility on the global stage. This sentiment can be attributed to various factors, such as foreign policy decisions, economic policies, and perceived cultural dominance.

Soylu's characterization of Europe as an American pawn suggests that he believes the continent lacks independence and is heavily influenced by the United States. By stating, "There is no such thing as Europe. There is America. Europe is a trend in the Americas column," Soylu implies that Europe's actions and policies are primarily driven by American interests rather than its own. This perspective further underscores Soylu's negative view of the United States and its global influence.
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Overbom said:
Until 2040 Israel should be safe enough IMO, and after that, Palestine would be weakened to such a degree that Israel could take a step "back", give face to the Arabs, and agree to a deal with Palestine
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Once you establish the precedent that you can move your people into a country, force the inhabitants out and turn them into refugees across the world and claim the land as yours, others can do the same. The Jewish migration to Israel and expulsion/ethnic cleansing occurred in living memory. If pan Arab sentiment strengthens again and Egypt or Iraq return to their old strength, things might become dangerous for Israel if there's no American support. The Palestinians won't be the ones who defeat the Israeli army. But on a historical timescale, an Arab reconquest of Israel is likely
 
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KYli

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Minm said:
Once you establish the precedent that you can move your people into a country, force the inhabitants out and turn them into refugees across the world and claim the land as yours, others can do the same. The Jewish migration to Israel and expulsion/ethnic cleansing occurred in living memory. If pan Arab sentiment strengthens again and Egypt or Iraq return to their old strength, things might become dangerous for Israel if there's no American support. The Palestinians won't be the ones who defeat the Israeli army. But on a historical timescale, an Arab reconquest of Israel is likely
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The issue is Israel has nuclear weapon. If Israel can continue its policies of eradicating Palestinians and building more settlements in the West Bank. A few decades from now, there would be only a few Palestinian enclaves left within Israel territory. After that, any country in the Middle East dares invading Israel would meet with nuclear weapon.

Time is ticking. Either Arabs stop Israel from taking most of West Bank now or it is too late. I just think it is already too late as Israel's plan of more settlements is already in fast motion.
 
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In recent weeks, American officials have sounded almost fatalistic about the possibility of limiting China’s buildup.

“We are probably not going to be able to do anything to stop, slow down, disrupt, interdict, or destroy the Chinese nuclear development program that they have projected out over the next 10 to 20 years,” Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Congress late last month.
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Comments are surprisingly okay, for once. Must mean the fear of nuclear war is the only thing that can keep bloodthirsty Americans in check. Xi, keep building.
 
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KYli said:
The issue is Israel has nuclear weapon. If Israel can continue its policies of eradicating Palestinians and building more settlements in the West Bank. A few decades from now, there would be only a few Palestinian enclaves left within Israel territory. After that, any country in the Middle East dares invading Israel would meet with nuclear weapon.

Time is ticking. Either Arabs stop Israel from taking most of West Bank now or it is too late. I just think it is already too late as Israel's plan of more settlements is already in fast motion.
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Iran is going to go nuclear if that happens. There is also possibility of Pakistan issue nuclear umbrella at permission of Russia and China. In a nuclear exchange Israel has no strategic depth to handle a war on all of middle east. One is vast and covered by mountain one is a tiny plain with concentrated population.
 
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