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Temstar

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So what do we think Yellen will say tomorrow?

From her position it would make sense for the speech to call for economic reconciliation, but then she'll surely be target of attack on every side. I find it difficult to imagine why she would stick her neck out like this. But she announcing a major speech is already quite unusual.
 

Maikeru

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What you're not getting is that, as a sovereign country, China is not obligated to follow US IP laws.

The US is free to pursue legal action against any Chinese entity in the US for IP violation.

But it has no jurisdiction on Chinese entities in China, or any other country.

A Chinese entity using American IP in China is not in violation of any law, despite US propaganda making it seem otherwise.

Accusations of "stealing IP" is just the US throwing a tantrum that it can't get other countries to follow its IP laws. In fact, there's nothing illegal about it, and the US was itself famous for doing this to Europeans back in the day.
AIUI a lot of the US IP "theft" allegations were in fact due to US companies not realising that their patents only covered the USA, not the whole world. Chinese companies were therefore legally entitled to use that IP in China but not export to USA.

That said, I did once visit a small factory outside Shenzen where the workers were busily forging Chanel, etc., buttons and suchlike for handbags etc.
 

Strangelove

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But China needs Australia more than Australia needs China... according to the Murdoch/Australian media.


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Calls for decoupling 'now in the past,' Western Australian Premier says, as Australia seeks to boost trade ties with China

By Xiong Xinyi,
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, and Xing Xiaojing Published: Apr 19, 2023 10:41 PM

Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan Photo: Zhang Yashu/GT

Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan Photo: Zhang Yashu/GT

Premiers of Australian states have been visiting China in droves amid thawing bilateral relations, eyeing to further deepen trade and economic cooperation with its largest trading partner, while the ongoing visit of Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan being the latest representation despite some voices hyping about "decoupling."

In an interview with the Global Times on Wednesday, McGowan highlighted a strong and beneficial bilateral relationship, stressing the calls for "decoupling" "are now in the past" and now there is "an appetite for a better relationship with China" after the new federal government took office.

Experts expect a bottom-up push to continue boosting the warming relations while breaking more barriers following stepped-up efforts and engagement from local governments and enterprises in Australia. However, they also noted obstacles remain for the bilateral ties such as the US' meddling and the so-called AUKUS nuclear submarine pact, and that Canberra needs to drop its hostile approach for a pragmatic one.

Pragmatic calls from states

During McGowan's five-day trip to China that is the first in nearly four years, the delegation will meet senior Chinese officials such as the officials of the National Development and Reform Commission, China's top economic planning body, along with businesses and people interested in Western Australia and improving the relationship through various events, McGowan noted.

McGowan expects an outcome with the improvement in relationships and an understanding that investing in Western Australia and having a friendly relationship brings benefits for both countries.

Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews also concluded a four-day visit in March. He told reporters that the state's relationship with China goes "deeper than just trade," and that it is a "partnership built on respect, trust and friendship, and one that benefits all Victorians in every sector," the Xinhua News Agency reported.

Andrews noted that "after more than three years, we've met with Chinese leaders in sister provinces that are home to more than 170 million people, sending a message to China that Victoria is a fantastic place for Chinese people to visit and study," according to Xinhua.

In addition, Queensland's Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk may visit China in November.

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totaled $58.79 billion in the first quarter of 2023, up 10.9 percent year-on-year, official data showed last week. As for trade between China and Western Australia, the Chinese mainland remains the top trading partner in 2021 to 2022 with A$143.6 billion ($96.19 billion) of goods traded and the largest market for the state's iron ore, accounting for 80 percent of its total exports during the period, according to official data from Western Australian.

McGowan noted that maintaining close economic and trade ties with China allows for enhanced construction and good agricultural products to be converted into quality food products.

He added that exports for products such as iron ore, gold, gas and other products to China have recovered compared to during the pandemic, while the government is working on restoring the exchange in tourism, airlines and international students.

For instance, the 5th strategic dialogue between China and Western Australia was held on Wednesday, involving senior business representatives from around 30 leading domestic enterprises like Sinoteel and Baosteel to discuss questions the enterprises might have.

Amid China's economic recovery this year, McGowan emphasized a strong cooperative and economic relationship, while expecting greater cooperation and investment in renewable energies, which can assist both countries' ambitions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

In response to calls from Australia to "decouple from China," McGowan noted that "I don't support anyone who says we should decouple. I think the relationship is strong and beneficial to both countries… So in terms of any of those calls, I think they are now in the past."

He said that it is in everyone's interest to have a good relationship between Australia and China. "I think with the new federal government in Australia, there is an appetite for a better relationship with China," he said.

As for some domestic noises seeking to hinder the warming relationship, such as some Australian media which constantly hype the possibility of war with China, McGowan believes that the landscape has improved a lot.

"Obviously, they are dangerous and inflammatory sentiments that those people were promoting. It appears to me that they have largely stopped. So I think it's improved and I expect it will continue to improve," he noted.

Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong recently told the press that "we think it is a good thing that we are engaging," when responding to a media question about the state leaders' China trips, Australian media outlet Skynews reported on Monday.

Further efforts needed

Despite some hostile voices and calls to "decouple from China" from some Australian politicians while under the shadow cast by the AUKUS nuclear submarine deal among the US, the UK and Australia, experts noted that local enterprises and governments are actively forging ahead in their relations with China amid lingering uncertainties, indicating their desire for and pragmatism toward a healthy relationship with China.

When Washington is attempting to hold its allies and partners hostage so they continue to act as pawns in the US' anti-China and containment strategies, local governments and enterprises in Australia have a clearer understanding than some Australian politicians, Chen Hong, president of the Chinese Association of Australian Studies, told the Global Times.

Chen noted that local governments and enterprises in Australia are actively forging ahead in their relations with China and taking the initiative to seek the best interests of their states, territories and enterprises, instead of ignoring their long-term interests and continuing working for Washington's hegemonic strategy.

For instance,
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of about 15 senior representatives of Australian companies and local government officials will make a six-day visit to China, the first of its kind in three years, starting on April 23.

China's Vice Minister of Agricultural and Rural Affairs Ma Youxiang met with Australian Agricultural Minister Murray Watt along with other government officials during his trip on Monday, aiming to promote bilateral cooperation in agriculture to get it back on a healthy and normal track.

McGowan noted that foreign affairs are a responsibility of the Commonwealth Government, but states have a lot of responsibility for economic, cultural, and social matters, noting that the engagement can assist in laying the ground for the Commonwealth Government which resolves issues at a national level with the Chinese government.

He said he would encourage other state premiers and governments to come to China as well and certainly encourage the Commonwealth Government of Australia to engage in that practice when it comes to enhancing the confidence of the local business community in the marketing environment and economic relations.

While bilateral relations are heading in a positive direction, Chen added that the Australia-US alliance remains the most important cornerstone for Australia's diplomatic and security strategy, adding that Canberra still faces pressure from the US to "pick a side" while hyping the so-called "China threat."

Chen called for more efforts for local governments in Australia to strengthen civil exchanges which are particularly critical especially when the federal government is affected by complex international relations factors and the top-down drive is insufficient.
 

eprash

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But China needs Australia more than Australia needs China... according to the Murdoch/Australian media.


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Calls for decoupling 'now in the past,' Western Australian Premier says, as Australia seeks to boost trade ties with China

By Xiong Xinyi,
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, and Xing Xiaojing Published: Apr 19, 2023 10:41 PM

Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan Photo: Zhang Yashu/GT

Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan Photo: Zhang Yashu/GT

Premiers of Australian states have been visiting China in droves amid thawing bilateral relations, eyeing to further deepen trade and economic cooperation with its largest trading partner, while the ongoing visit of Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan being the latest representation despite some voices hyping about "decoupling."

In an interview with the Global Times on Wednesday, McGowan highlighted a strong and beneficial bilateral relationship, stressing the calls for "decoupling" "are now in the past" and now there is "an appetite for a better relationship with China" after the new federal government took office.

Experts expect a bottom-up push to continue boosting the warming relations while breaking more barriers following stepped-up efforts and engagement from local governments and enterprises in Australia. However, they also noted obstacles remain for the bilateral ties such as the US' meddling and the so-called AUKUS nuclear submarine pact, and that Canberra needs to drop its hostile approach for a pragmatic one.

Pragmatic calls from states

During McGowan's five-day trip to China that is the first in nearly four years, the delegation will meet senior Chinese officials such as the officials of the National Development and Reform Commission, China's top economic planning body, along with businesses and people interested in Western Australia and improving the relationship through various events, McGowan noted.

McGowan expects an outcome with the improvement in relationships and an understanding that investing in Western Australia and having a friendly relationship brings benefits for both countries.

Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews also concluded a four-day visit in March. He told reporters that the state's relationship with China goes "deeper than just trade," and that it is a "partnership built on respect, trust and friendship, and one that benefits all Victorians in every sector," the Xinhua News Agency reported.

Andrews noted that "after more than three years, we've met with Chinese leaders in sister provinces that are home to more than 170 million people, sending a message to China that Victoria is a fantastic place for Chinese people to visit and study," according to Xinhua.

In addition, Queensland's Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk may visit China in November.

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totaled $58.79 billion in the first quarter of 2023, up 10.9 percent year-on-year, official data showed last week. As for trade between China and Western Australia, the Chinese mainland remains the top trading partner in 2021 to 2022 with A$143.6 billion ($96.19 billion) of goods traded and the largest market for the state's iron ore, accounting for 80 percent of its total exports during the period, according to official data from Western Australian.

McGowan noted that maintaining close economic and trade ties with China allows for enhanced construction and good agricultural products to be converted into quality food products.

He added that exports for products such as iron ore, gold, gas and other products to China have recovered compared to during the pandemic, while the government is working on restoring the exchange in tourism, airlines and international students.

For instance, the 5th strategic dialogue between China and Western Australia was held on Wednesday, involving senior business representatives from around 30 leading domestic enterprises like Sinoteel and Baosteel to discuss questions the enterprises might have.

Amid China's economic recovery this year, McGowan emphasized a strong cooperative and economic relationship, while expecting greater cooperation and investment in renewable energies, which can assist both countries' ambitions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

In response to calls from Australia to "decouple from China," McGowan noted that "I don't support anyone who says we should decouple. I think the relationship is strong and beneficial to both countries… So in terms of any of those calls, I think they are now in the past."

He said that it is in everyone's interest to have a good relationship between Australia and China. "I think with the new federal government in Australia, there is an appetite for a better relationship with China," he said.

As for some domestic noises seeking to hinder the warming relationship, such as some Australian media which constantly hype the possibility of war with China, McGowan believes that the landscape has improved a lot.

"Obviously, they are dangerous and inflammatory sentiments that those people were promoting. It appears to me that they have largely stopped. So I think it's improved and I expect it will continue to improve," he noted.

Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong recently told the press that "we think it is a good thing that we are engaging," when responding to a media question about the state leaders' China trips, Australian media outlet Skynews reported on Monday.

Further efforts needed

Despite some hostile voices and calls to "decouple from China" from some Australian politicians while under the shadow cast by the AUKUS nuclear submarine deal among the US, the UK and Australia, experts noted that local enterprises and governments are actively forging ahead in their relations with China amid lingering uncertainties, indicating their desire for and pragmatism toward a healthy relationship with China.

When Washington is attempting to hold its allies and partners hostage so they continue to act as pawns in the US' anti-China and containment strategies, local governments and enterprises in Australia have a clearer understanding than some Australian politicians, Chen Hong, president of the Chinese Association of Australian Studies, told the Global Times.

Chen noted that local governments and enterprises in Australia are actively forging ahead in their relations with China and taking the initiative to seek the best interests of their states, territories and enterprises, instead of ignoring their long-term interests and continuing working for Washington's hegemonic strategy.

For instance,
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of about 15 senior representatives of Australian companies and local government officials will make a six-day visit to China, the first of its kind in three years, starting on April 23.

China's Vice Minister of Agricultural and Rural Affairs Ma Youxiang met with Australian Agricultural Minister Murray Watt along with other government officials during his trip on Monday, aiming to promote bilateral cooperation in agriculture to get it back on a healthy and normal track.

McGowan noted that foreign affairs are a responsibility of the Commonwealth Government, but states have a lot of responsibility for economic, cultural, and social matters, noting that the engagement can assist in laying the ground for the Commonwealth Government which resolves issues at a national level with the Chinese government.

He said he would encourage other state premiers and governments to come to China as well and certainly encourage the Commonwealth Government of Australia to engage in that practice when it comes to enhancing the confidence of the local business community in the marketing environment and economic relations.

While bilateral relations are heading in a positive direction, Chen added that the Australia-US alliance remains the most important cornerstone for Australia's diplomatic and security strategy, adding that Canberra still faces pressure from the US to "pick a side" while hyping the so-called "China threat."

Chen called for more efforts for local governments in Australia to strengthen civil exchanges which are particularly critical especially when the federal government is affected by complex international relations factors and the top-down drive is insufficient.
Folding already? That's a lot sooner than expected, Must be desperate
 

Phead128

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That said, I did once visit a small factory outside Shenzen where the workers were busily forging Chanel, etc., buttons and suchlike for handbags etc.
funny how despite all that, the dude who owns Louis Vuitton is worth $240B, #1 in the world. Even if his net worth was cut by half due to all the copying, dude is still by far the #1 in the world... insane.
 

siegecrossbow

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gradually, the elites of the west come round to the idea that China…might actually be good at science, innovation and maths?

The trend of dedollarisartion is increasing



The concept of Vae Victus also applies to those who believe their time in the sun is forever, and to those who believes themselves to be Gods Chosen.
For example, under the Anglo concept of terra nulliu, the PRC can also lay claim to the continents of Australia, North America and New Zealand by force of arms under the concept of Vae Victus, and history shows, Chinese are much much more effective at assimilation than anglos obsessed with blood purity

I don’t care about New Zealand or Australia. What I really need is all of Tom Cotton’s children learning Xi Jinping thoughts in a Xiongan classroom.
 

supersnoop

Colonel
Registered Member
AIUI a lot of the US IP "theft" allegations were in fact due to US companies not realising that their patents only covered the USA, not the whole world. Chinese companies were therefore legally entitled to use that IP in China but not export to USA.

That said, I did once visit a small factory outside Shenzen where the workers were busily forging Chanel, etc., buttons and suchlike for handbags etc.
Forget about forgery like those fake Chanels. That will happen whether in China, Eastern Europe, India, even America (Ever been to NYC?), wherever. There is just too much demand for it.

Getting back to the main discussion, IP laws are simply stronger in the US in general.
The question is whether stronger = better.

In the US, all the patents are basically used by companies to sue each other and waste a lot of money that could've been used more productively. Even worse are the patent trolls which are just parasitic lawyers that buy up various patents from belly up companies and use them to sue or pay royalties.

It's not just what you said (Patents only covering the USA), but in China, you simply cannot patent a lot of things you get away with in the US.

Of course, I am not a lawyer, but this is just what I have gleaned from reading over time.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The sad fact is that it's not in anyone's interest to support Palestinians, including China. Israel is the more useful partner. But they represent a huge opportunity. If China can pressure Palestinians to support a two state solution in which they get the West Bank as their country in exchange for Saudi and Iranian recognition of Israel, then Israel won't be dependent on the US anymore and will also move towards China.

Of course that requires putting on them. If China helps Syria and Lebanon to become powerful again it might might force Israel to negotiate. There's little hope for help from Egypt under the current leadership. But now that Assad is returning to the Arab mainstream, China should give him air defence and reconstruction. Get NATO forces and Israeli planes out of Syria and talks might become possible

The sides have already been chosen long ago. Israel wrote its contract with Trump in the blood of China’s ambassador to Israel in exchange for America finally recognising Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Such a blood debt is not easily forgiven or reversed, which was why it was done that way. One crossing of the Rubicon for another.

Israel depends too much on American military might for its existence for there to have been any other outcome when forced to choose between China and America. There is simply no scope for China to ever offer a fraction of the kind of support as Israel can command from America due to too many factors such as religion, race, history, culture and governance etc.

Just as inevitable is that Israel will become collateral damage in any superpower fight between China and America even with China not wishing it any harm. Because merely through successful defending it’s own territorial integrity and national interests, China will deal such a crippling blow to American expeditionary military hard power that it would no longer have the ability to defend Israel against a modern Arab-Muslim coalition.

That is a massive factor in why the Muslim world was so eager to switch sides to China. They don’t need a superpower on their side, they just need the superpower off of Israel’s side and they can take care of the rest.

Suddenly potential Saudi interests in an excessive number of 052Es make a lot more sense if one was serious about countering Israeli sub launched nuclear cruise missiles.

It will be a long time before anyone would risk openly attacking Israel directly, but the knives are already being bought and sharpened in anticipation if not preparation. As the balance of power tip further in favour of China and tensions rise with the US, expect the scale and scope of ME arms purchases to also accelerate as tensions between rival Muslim and Arab powers further ease and recede. It’s when they start buying S400s, ABM defences and DDGs in serious numbers that Israel should really start to panic.
 
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