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[ansy1968]

What I'm referring to is the US's ability to get its "allies" - more accurately, vassals - involved in any conflict it gets into. We saw this in Iraq and Afghanistan with the "coalition of the willing" and we see it in Ukraine with the sanctions and supplied arms. In the latter case, Europe suffers far more from it than the US does, so the US is essentially using Europeans to fight other Europeans.

There is no question in my mind that, should China fight Taiwan, most of the US's Pacific vassals (Japan, South Korea, Australia, etc.) will get directly involved. By contrast, I'm skeptical that Russia, Iran, or Pakistan will get directly involved on the side of China. The US's ability to command a legion of vassals to do its bidding is one of its greatest strengths, and a reason why a direct attack against Taiwan is not currently feasible.

Well bro, against a near peer opponent? when China do sunk an American Aircraft Carrier, let's see if either Japan and Australia had the stomach for a fight. SK will be nullified by NK while Japan with the Russian up North and their trade routes under threat from the Chinese will seek reconciliation and IF the Chinese and Indonesia do sign a strategic alliance, the Australian will follow suit and focus on its neighborhood.

All this threat and alliances are the last throw of maintaining PAX AMERICANA, China restrained is her SOFT POWER, as the world shift to a multipolar world. Being aggressive destroy that narrative and its strategic significance is very profound, so much so that unknowingly we are seeing a return of Chinese Imperial Tributary system.

 

[ansy1968]

I share your concerns, however I think that mr. Macron was clear enough on this matter. China is no Iraq or Avghanistan. I also think US vassals in the Pacific won't be directly involved, they would probably only allow the US war forces freedom of movement and usage of already existing military facilities the US has already inside them.

Though, I think Japan might be actually crazy enough to join the US directly out of their guilt and fear of China due to everything they done to China in the past. They fear retribution. Should China fully rise and force the US out of the Pacific, they think it is over for them mildly put.

Bro regarding Japan their thinking is since we're an occupied country we have NO SAY on the matter, just like Germany. And from my chauvinistic Chinese thinking deep inside they welcome an American defeat because it will be a liberating moment for them (well the American nuked them twice and you expect them to forgive you). I don't follow that the Japanese are afraid of Chinese retribution because they know the Chinese are not vindictive as both share a confucian beliefs and are part of East Asian Culture or Sinosphere.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Russia is helping China to offset and distract Western pressure on the European front. The US is trying to prematurely knock out Russia before China officially challenges the US. Its a preemptive strike by the US that is preparing for a near-future where the US might force China's hand on Taiwan


I agree, Ukraine is worth jackshit. Rest I also agree with


I meant from a holistic point of view. Economy, tech, fiscal revenue/expenditure, HDI etc. Overall, Russia is losing that race because it is slowly transitioning to a war economy.

Never underestimate how expensive wars are. I can guarantee you that for each day of war that Russia is in, it could easily build dozens of schools every day with all that spent money. Similarly for the West, its much cheaper though because they aren't in a direct war, they are just (mostly) sending their outdated military equipment and once in a while give enough money so that Ukraine doesn't collapse. When viewed overall, Russia has to bear a lot more costs because Western countries are richer and thus easier to absorb these losses.


A cow is still a cow. Poorer, yes. Too poor to help, no. Europeans still have a lot of fat for the US, no doubt about that. Basically the trade is, cripple Russia for decades, and the only cost you pay is a few points of lost GDP growth. Strategically, you take this trade every day of the week. Even when you know that you have to deal with China.

The primary point is that the West sees Russia as a big helper for China, so from that POV it makes sense to knock out Russia even if they have to pay a price for that



The question isn't about defeat. Its about draining Russia's national comprehensive strength. Was America seen as defeated militarily or economically in Afghanistan in the beginning? No. Now ask the same question today and everyone will say yes. I predict something similar will happen to Russia. Russia won't officially lose in Ukraine, but when viewed from a strategic point of view the Special Operation in Ukraine will be considered a strategic defeat for Russia in the future (10, 20 years later)


Dollar would had slipped either way, Ukraine war or not. The only difference is how quickly it would have had happened. Really, China's rise automatically means that the dollar would slip eventually.

The real question is if accelerating dollar's decline is worth the price for the US for playing all these cards against Russia. My answer is no (even today), unless it drags the war and completely drain Russia's national comprehensive power. Anything other than that and i could consider this move a net loss of the US. Its all about the scale balance. As long as it becomes positive, all kinds of cards can be played. The only consideration is that the advantage you gain is worth the price you paid


True. As I said its all about if the advantage gained is worth the price paid. Nothing is sacred in this world, any price can be worth it it if you gain enough benefits. IMO the price and the gamble the West has taken with this war is big and for sure they have to be careful.

There is a balance for the West here where it gains more advantages than China gains advantage. Maybe that means it has to stop in a few years, maybe next year, or maybe in 10 years. Casual people like you and me can't know about that, the only people who know about this are probably the strategists in the US deep state who control this situation from that side.


Of course not. Thats where Chinese and American strategists will square off. My analysis is that the US national interest is to drag this war for a few more years, have a ceasefire, massively arm Ukraine Israel-style and start again for round 2

How in the world is the U.S. along with it's vassals are going to realistically be able to drag this war against Russia for a few more years? In what world is Ukraine even going to survive another 2 years of this meat grinder? What economic strength and leverage do EU countries have that it's practically would be willing to sacrifice it's economic future, economic competitiveness, economic vitality, deindustrialization and businesses exiting to countries with greater stability not just in market, but also energy prices. That means they're going to big bad China, India, Middle-Eastern countries and the best of them all, U.S.A.

Sooner or later these EU leaders would have been awaken from their monumental stupidity if not from their business, industrialists etc. but from their FED UP PUBLIC that will be taking the brunt mostly from this war that's already affected their lives economically due to inflationary pressures.

We're giving too much credit to American geopolitical 3d chess from the way you laid out your reasoning and even they would be blushing red in how you have given them too much credit from their supposed geopolitical gambit that's so far has worked out for them in your view.

I don't share the same optimism as you do with regards to this great geopolitical power play, nor do I agree that in 10 or 20 years Russia's decision to invade Ukraine would be looked down negatively. What choice do they have? Live with a Ukraine that's part of NATO/EU and then what? WWIII? Russia was simply stuck between a rock and a hard place, which in other words they're left IMHO with no alternative but to do what's needed to be done. Their actions are not for the world to look favorably on them but to the future Russians to provide their country the right set of circumstances away from western influences and firmly able to chart their own path. What I can criticize Russia is with their abysmal military performance notwithstanding the obvious NATO/US led assistance from the very beginning. That much was obvious and yet their performance has so far has created a lasting damage in their reputation as a military superpower.

 

[CMP]

How in the world is the U.S. along with it's vassals are going to realistically be able to drag this war against Russia for a few more years? In what world is Ukraine even going to survive another 2 years of this meat grinder? What economic strength and leverage do EU countries have that it's practically would be willing to sacrifice it's economic future, economic competitiveness, economic vitality, deindustrialization and businesses exiting to countries with greater stability not just in market, but also energy prices. That means they're going to big bad China, India, Middle-Eastern countries and the best of them all, U.S.A.

Sooner or later these EU leaders would have been awaken from their monumental stupidity if not from their business, industrialists etc. but from their FED UP PUBLIC that will be taking the brunt mostly from this war that's already affected their lives economically due to inflationary pressures.

We're giving too much credit to American geopolitical 3d chess from the way you laid out your reasoning and even they would be blushing red in how you have given them too much credit from their supposed geopolitical gambit that's so far has worked out for them in your view.

I don't share the same optimism as you do with regards to this great geopolitical power play, nor do I agree that in 10 or 20 years Russia's decision to invade Ukraine would be looked down negatively. What choice do they have? Live with a Ukraine that's part of NATO/EU and then what? WWIII? Russia was simply stuck between a rock and a hard place, which in other words they're left IMHO with no alternative but to do what's needed to be done. Their actions are not for the world to look favorably on them but to the future Russians to provide their country the right set of circumstances away from western influences and firmly able to chart their own path. What I can criticize Russia is with their abysmal military performance notwithstanding the obvious NATO/US led assistance from the very beginning. That much was obvious and yet their performance has so far has crested a lasting damage in their reputation as a military superpower.

You're putting a ton of effort into arguing with the totally delusional. May as well add him to your ignore list and take a well-deserved cocktail break.

 

[pmc]

There is no question in my mind that, should China fight Taiwan, most of the US's Pacific vassals (Japan, South Korea, Australia, etc.) will get directly involved. By contrast, I'm skeptical that Russia, Iran, or Pakistan will get directly involved on the side of China. The US's ability to command a legion of vassals to do its bidding is one of its greatest strengths, and a reason why a direct attack against Taiwan is not currently feasible.

Russia is building A-100 AWACS and Tu-160M2. both have special developed engines and going through final testing.
both can provide persistence and real time target data at much greater distance than any thing else.
I dont think drones have this capability otherwise there would have been more drone flights than manned aircraft. NATO AWACS are not modern by today standards.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

What I'm referring to is the US's ability to get its "allies" - more accurately, vassals - involved in any conflict it gets into. We saw this in Iraq and Afghanistan with the "coalition of the willing" and we see it in Ukraine with the sanctions and supplied arms. In the latter case, Europe suffers far more from it than the US does, so the US is essentially using Europeans to fight other Europeans.

There is no question in my mind that, should China fight Taiwan, most of the US's Pacific vassals (Japan, South Korea, Australia, etc.) will get directly involved. By contrast, I'm skeptical that Russia, Iran, or Pakistan will get directly involved on the side of China. The US's ability to command a legion of vassals to do its bidding is one of its greatest strengths, and a reason why a direct attack against Taiwan is not currently feasible.

It's one thing to fight Iraq, Afghanistan but its another to demand the countries you listed sacrifice themselves at the altar of America shared "values" whatever the fuck that means.

Iraq and Afghanistan were always to be a cakewalk for America and her vassals for obvious reasons that I need not point out. But to conflate those 2 countries and the conditions of war against China, a nuclear power going against it's SOVEREIGN TERRITORY that's IMPRINTED IN THE MINDS, SKULLS, HEARTS OF EVERY CHINESE that Taiwan is a part of China and was taken away by FOREIGNERS RESULTING IN 100 YEARS OF HUMILIATION would guarantee that the countries you mentioned has never face an enemy like China never before especially at its most current iteration. A lot of Chinese are also looking forward to exacting revenge against Japan due to the genocidal history committed against China. Those countries can certainly join their master but God help them if that destiny ever materialize.

 

[coolgod]

I just read this thread about the leaked documents, what do you think?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1646176686227193857

Clearly the Pentagon "leak" was intentional, the US is backing out of Ukraine, notice how before the US retreats the pentagon always has a big "leak", like

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. These "leaks" serve multiple purpose, the most important of which is to shift public sentiments, giving stairs to walk back on the war.

Guess who was first to bring up the "leak" onto this forum, why it happens to be someone whom we all know has ties to US intel community. Why would an intelligence agency promote their own leaks on a random forum, just like how someone promoted their leaks on a random discord hmm

Isn't it odd that the US intel community, media and white house enthusiastically promote certain leaks, while staying silent on others. The latest 观其有语 also share the same opinion toward the leaks.

 

[taxiya]

Basically a never-ending war because Russia would never be defeated by Ukraine. US likes never-ending wars, helps make military-industrial complex a lot of money.

Or once again the US is optimistic in a quick mission accomplished like they thought Iraq and Afghanistan 20 years ago, so they can't wait to write the terms.

 

[Blitzo]

I've deleted some posts where people are discussing gross dating, male/female "trends".

This thread may be less monitored than others, but I expect people to keep it in their pants and stop making remarks that are just two steps short of hornyposting.

 

[solarz]

So every time anyone gazes at the moon they are indirectly consuming SeeSeePee propaganda? Time to ban the moon to protect the masses.

I want them to make the red star big enough to be seen with the naked eye from earth.