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gelgoog

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The whole deal with the compressors made by Siemens or otherwise is kind of overblown to be honest.

Russia has a pretty large gas turbine industry, they are one of the few countries which makes gas turbines for both military and civilian transport aircraft, they have multiple projects working on large turbines which would be suitable, and are in advanced stage of development, with some just entering service. For example the UEC Saturn GTD-110M gas turbine is already in limited production. Russia has achieved 100% localization on licensed production of the GE 6FA gas turbine with 82 MW power at Russian Gas Turbines. Power Machines is working on the GTE-170 and GTE-65 gas turbines which should enter production over the next two years. Power Machines used to assemble Siemens gas turbines in Russia, and Russian Gas Turbines used to assemble GE gas turbines. If they wanted to, they could likely reverse engineer and make parts for gas turbines in service if this was critical. After the sanctions on Crimea in 2014, Russia chose to either license (in the case of GE) or design their own (in the case of Siemens) gas turbines.

I am fairly certain that Russia will surpass the issues with civilian and industrial turbine engines over the next 5 years. The programs have been ongoing since 2014. The naval gas turbines were the top priority at UEC Saturn and are already in production for example. So Russia now produces the M90FR marine gas turbine with 20 MW power when prior to this they imported all marine gas turbines from Ukraine. They are already being tested on the Admiral Golovko after passing all trials and entering serial production. UEC Saturn also put the GTD-110M gas turbine with 118 MW power into production recently like I said.
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All the gas turbines used in Power of Siberia are either of GE 6FA type or derivatives of the PS-90 aero gas turbine. So that will not be affected by sanctions. And if the European supplied gas turbines which feed gas into the gas system which goes into Europe fail, well, why should Russia care really. They basically owned themselves.

The situation with diesel engines or electric powerplants is way more problematic.
 
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sunnymaxi

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Russia is a gold mine because they're an industrialized market that doesn't need finished products, but components and tools.

It's all about the tools. That is how you climb the value ladder - by providing the critical parts, not by importing the critical parts then selling the finished assembled product. That is how Japan climbed the value chain, and now they dominate so many legacy tools. This is hugely beneficial for China.

It is also hugely beneficial for Russia, as they will get to keep their end user products and downstream components like PCBs, IR sights, etc. while the core tech and components are Chinese. This will in turn provide more R&D funds for Chinese companies, more customer feedback in harsh environments, etc.
win win situation for both parties.

this war has come at very right time for Russia. right now China has almost everything to support Russian economy include complete set to machine tools to heavy machinery to low/mid semiconductors to electronics and 21st century technologies.

Chinese companies will gain critical market share also get feedback from the customers as you said, this will eventually help them to spend more on product quality. immense benefits for Chinese companies especially in long term.
 

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How Chinese Companies Are Reinventing Management – by Harvard Business Review​

Don’t be misled by memories of slow-moving state-owned enterprises. Today’s Chinese companies are lean and mean.
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: Xinjiang shifts exports from US to Central Asia, 8 months after ‘forced labour’ law came into effect​

  • Exports from the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region to the US dropped by almost 90 per cent last month, year on year, to US$497,440
  • Apparel, which was once the region’s top export to the US, disappeared in February, eight months after the Uygur Forced Labour Prevention Act came into effect
  • In contrast, Xinjiang’s total exports in February almost doubled compared to a year earlier, with countries in central Asia the main destination.
  • US officials said that administering the act has become more difficult because Chinese firms are hiding the origin of goods
 
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supercat

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Chinese economic coercion is not just largely ineffective but it creates long-term strategic costs for China
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It's US that uses economic coercion and sanctions against other countries, including China. It's pure projection.

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: Xinjiang shifts exports from US to Central Asia, 8 months after ‘forced labour’ law came into effect​

  • Exports from the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region to the US dropped by almost 90 per cent last month, year on year, to US$497,440
  • Apparel, which was once the region’s top export to the US, disappeared in February, eight months after the Uygur Forced Labour Prevention Act came into effect
  • In contrast, Xinjiang’s total exports in February almost doubled compared to a year earlier, with countries in central Asia the main destination.
  • US officials said that administering the act has become more difficult because Chinese firms are hiding the origin of goods
Even US companies don't take the "Uyghar law" seriously and they are still coupling with instead of decoupling from China. Here another US company sets up R&D center in China.
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How Chinese Companies Are Reinventing Management – by Harvard Business Review​

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: Xinjiang shifts exports from US to Central Asia, 8 months after ‘forced labour’ law came into effect​

  • Exports from the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region to the US dropped by almost 90 per cent last month, year on year, to US$497,440
  • Apparel, which was once the region’s top export to the US, disappeared in February, eight months after the Uygur Forced Labour Prevention Act came into effect
  • In contrast, Xinjiang’s total exports in February almost doubled compared to a year earlier, with countries in central Asia the main destination.
  • US officials said that administering the act has become more difficult because Chinese firms are hiding the origin of goods
Western companies can successfully incorporate Chinese-style autonomous teams into their organizations, as Haier’s transformation of General Electric’s appliance business following its acquisition in 2016 demonstrates. Kevin Nolan, the CEO of GE Appliances appointed by Haier, says: “You just have to dare to…give up control.” But that’s exactly what stymies Western managers.
Western management is authoritarian cronyism?
 

TK3600

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Why are you posting USG-approved/funded anti-China propaganda? Coercion works really well for the US, so I'd be more interested in seeing a real analysis of why coercion works for them but not for us, though I already have a ton of good answers to that question. Beats the hell out of propaganda that suggests that the US does not and never has been one to coerce.

And all this despite the fact that I actually do agree that China should completely refrain from use of coercion.
I am satisfied to hear that. It means coertion worked.
 

BlackWindMnt

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How Chinese Companies Are Reinventing Management – by Harvard Business Review​

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That was an interesting article totally not what i expected team management to be in China. I expected more micro management style from above, just shows what multiple decades of western propaganda does to a person..:D
 

FairAndUnbiased

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That was an interesting article totally not what i expected team management to be in China. I expected more micro management style from above, just shows what multiple decades of western propaganda does to a person..:D
I actually read about this 2018 about the Haier Management Method and internal entrepreneurship. We implemented some aspects of it at my workplace and it seems to be working well.

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