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Phead128

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Great explanation. Thanks for that. I haven't kept up with Thai politics since thaksin days. Their family as you correctly said are not anti china. both him and Yingluck made well publicized visits to china during their heydays or right after. With both cultural and political significance.

It does seem like thais in general have positive feelings towards china, same with Indonesians and Singaporeans.



I'm abit baffled with the chart though. You expect Pakistan , Japan , Australia to be where they are . But why in earth Koreans are biggest haters lol. They are even above those countries with actual territorial disputes with china.
Koreans have an inferiority complex vis-a-vis Japan/China when it comes to culture and history. So there is Koreans claiming Goguryeo and Confucius, revisionism about Gojoseon, grasping at Altaic family blood kinship.

Also, due to advancement of Chinese technology and industrial might, China and Korea are direct competitors in 37% of export items, ranging from mobile phones , shipbuilding (LNG, bulk carriers), semiconductors, EV batteries, electronics, automobiles, etc....

Add that to the legacy of Korean War... you have Koreans hating Chinese as much as they hate Japanese.

Personally, I actually boycott most South Korean products, precisely because how SK Ultranationalists behaves against Chinese on the internet (see Korean Sentry Forum before they went private-only).
 

TK3600

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Well, from a civilizational level point of view, it doesn't really matter whether they are really unofficial agents or not. They can be truly honest about what they think, but it is mechanism and the foundations in which their way of thinking are based on that turns them into what they are. And they effectively more useful agent to the CPC and to China than many of those who are actually employed by CPC as agents.
True. Similarly not all hanjian are agents employed by foriegn nation either.
 

taxiya

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Add that to the legacy of Korean War... you have Koreans hating Chinese as much as they hate Japanese.
PRC ruined SK's dream of unification under their banner, a "crime" equal to Japan's occupation. Of course to SK, US isn't occupation. I remember some years ago, lots of noise from SK tried to convince China to let SK take over NK. I was so perplexed as what were they thinking. Apparently in their mind China is indebted to them the whole peninsular and their glory.
 

CMP

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True. Similarly not all hanjian are agents employed by foriegn nation either.
Statistically, the vast majority of hanjian are just average people living their lives on the mainland. Most of them just haven't had an opportunity to demonstrate it yet. It's just that this category of people represent a much larger % of the total in the overseas population.
 
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Many of his judgments still have vitality today. Brzezinski pointed out in his book that "Potentially, the most dangerous scenario would be a grand coalition of China, Russia, and perhaps Iran, an 'antihegemonic' coalition united not by ideology but by complementary grievances." His warnings against US diplomacy have once again garnered much attention in recent days.

However, if we look deeper into Brzezinski's point of view, perhaps we shouldn't focus too much on whether it has, or will, come true or not. Brzezinski himself held onto the belief that such "contingency" was remote. In fact, what he really wanted to convey by issuing such a warning is that the US shouldn't make enemies everywhere and bring ruin upon itself.

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The Chinese Foreign Ministry released a report on Monday further unveiling the facade of American democracy, ahead of the second "Summit for Democracy" on March 29 and 30.

The report, titled "The State of Democracy in the United States: 2022," presents a complete and real picture of American democracy over the year - not only revealing American democracy in chaos at home but also presenting the havoc and disaster the US has brought by peddling and imposing its democracy around the world.

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The US scrambling to look like it's the broker of peace. And just like they said with China, it had nothing to with them. The process was already happening hence why Blinken is offering support not spearheading it. Blinken trying to step in to take credit.

What did I say about Blinken before? In Alaska, China dared to retort about US human rights abuses in the wake of George Floyd and Blinken went through this song and dance routine to counter even inviting a UN human rights official to investigate the US. The US is not use to being criticized. China publicly and to the US's face exposed the US as a hypocrite. This shouldn't surprise anyone because this is the tactic of the US is to put others on the defensive so they're not in a position of being on the offensive. So naturally they will be in a panic when the shoe is on the foot because that's what it's designed to do when they do it to others. The US can be played.
 

Sardaukar20

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Great explanation. Thanks for that. I haven't kept up with Thai politics since thaksin days. Their family as you correctly said are not anti china. both him and Yingluck made well publicized visits to china during their heydays or right after. With both cultural and political significance.

It does seem like thais in general have positive feelings towards china, same with Indonesians and Singaporeans.



I'm abit baffled with the chart though. You expect Pakistan , Japan , Australia to be where they are . But why in earth Koreans are biggest haters lol. They are even above those countries with actual territorial disputes with china.

Since Covid, the South Korean hate for China just skyrocketed. Many willingly fell for the US propaganda and blamed the Chinese for Covid. But for me, the root cause for that hate, I believe is an identity crisis. Many South Koreans for decade have enjoyed being the #2 most advanced East Asian, behind the Japanese. During those years, their true rival was Japan, hence they hate Japan intensely then. The Chinese at that time were regarded as lower-class East Asians whose purpose is to serve the more advanced South Koreans. Low threat, but also not to be respected. Kinda like a South Korean version of caste-based racism. I've read this kind of view from a number of Korean opinion pieces, and social media.

Many South Koreans worship the Americans like god. They aspire to be at the same level as the Americans, thereby becoming more 'advanced' than the other East Asians. They have shamelessly culturally appropriated many of American culture like music, films, Halloween, food, and Christianity. They shamelessly adopt the American Corndog, while raging at the Chinese for rightfully classifying Kimchi as a version of pao cai. They shamelessly copy American fashion, while hating the Chinese for appreciating the hanbok worn by the Chinese Koreans. In the last 5 years, I have seen South Korean films bashing China much more than Japan. That means that they have have already shifted their hate from Japan onto China.

The South Koreans now view the Chinese as an existential threat, because of their identity crisis. The Chinese have much greater history than Korea. While a big part of Korean history was becoming a vassal state of China, and a colony of Japan. The 21st century was supposed to be South Korea's chance to forge their own glorious history. But they mistakenly thought that they can forge a glorious history by becoming a vassal and facsimile of the Americans. Nevertheless the Chinese have caught up fast, and are now practically on par with them. The Chinese are also challenging the hegemony of Americans, their patron. This shocks and infuriates the South Koreans, as their position as the 'greatest of the East Asians' is now under threat by the very people they thought, whose era is over.

I think that by doubling down on America, and hating the Chinese, the South Koreans are dooming themselves. They are blinded by superiority complex and are following a dying Superpower. In time, they'll be left behind by the Chinese. I dislike SK, but in the meantime, they are still a very competent nation. Their industries are very competitive, their shipbuilding is still world leading, and their defense industry is quite formidable. My only concern now is that South Korea might be heading on a path to fascism. Could the hate reach to a boiling point, that South Korea finally abandons its 'neutral position' against China and starts to threaten China directly? Not likely, but not impossible also, as the Yoon government is still evolving, and has many years to go on too.

Nevertheless, we must not turn to hating the Koreans as a whole. The North Koreans are friendly to the Chinese, and the Korean Chinese are proud citizens of the PRC. They have not been corrupted by Western racist culture. Plus, there are still a number of decent South Koreans living in China. It is unfortunate that their home country have become like that.

P.S.: I have not actively boycotted South Korean products. But I have stopped buying Samsung, and many other high profile brands. They seemed quite arrogant for me. I have also mostly stopped watching Korean films. They are no longer as entertaining anymore. Nowadays, they feel too 'American'. I don't listen to any K-pop rubbish, but I used to observe millennials going crazy about K-pop. Nowadays though, they have grown bored of K-pop and have moved on to Japanese Anime and Chinese pop culture. How funny.
 

Phead128

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Since Covid, the South Korean hate for China just skyrocketed. Many willingly fell for the US propaganda and blamed the Chinese for Covid. But for me, the root cause for that hate, I believe is an identity crisis. Many South Koreans for decade have enjoyed being the #2 most advanced East Asian, behind the Japanese. During those years, their true rival was Japan, hence they hate Japan intensely then. The Chinese at that time were regarded as lower-class East Asians whose purpose is to serve the more advanced South Koreans. Low threat, but also not to be respected. Kinda like a South Korean version of caste-based racism. I've read this kind of view from a number of Korean opinion pieces, and social media.

Many South Koreans worship the Americans like god. They aspire to be at the same level as the Americans, thereby becoming more 'advanced' than the other East Asians. They have shamelessly culturally appropriated many of American culture like music, films, Halloween, food, and Christianity. They shamelessly adopt the American Corndog, while raging at the Chinese for rightfully classifying Kimchi as a version of pao cai. They shamelessly copy American fashion, while hating the Chinese for appreciating the hanbok worn by the Chinese Koreans. In the last 5 years, I have seen South Korean films bashing China much more than Japan. That means that they have have already shifted their hate from Japan onto China.

The South Koreans now view the Chinese as an existential threat, because of their identity crisis. The Chinese have much greater history than Korea. While a big part of Korean history was becoming a vassal state of China, and a colony of Japan. The 21st century was supposed to be South Korea's chance to forge their own glorious history. But they mistakenly thought that they can forge a glorious history by becoming a vassal and facsimile of the Americans. Nevertheless the Chinese have caught up fast, and are now practically on par with them. The Chinese are also challenging the hegemony of Americans, their patron. This shocks and infuriates the South Koreans, as their position as the 'greatest of the East Asians' is now under threat by the very people they thought, whose era is over.

I think that by doubling down on America, and hating the Chinese, the South Koreans are dooming themselves. They are blinded by superiority complex and are following a dying Superpower. In time, they'll be left behind by the Chinese. I dislike SK, but in the meantime, they are still a very competent nation. Their industries are very competitive, their shipbuilding is still world leading, and their defense industry is quite formidable. My only concern now is that South Korea might be heading on a path to fascism. Could the hate reach to a boiling point, that South Korea finally abandons its 'neutral position' against China and starts to threaten China directly? Not likely, but not impossible also, as the Yoon government is still evolving, and has many years to go on too.

Nevertheless, we must not turn to hating the Koreans as a whole. The North Koreans are friendly to the Chinese, and the Korean Chinese are proud citizens of the PRC. They have not been corrupted by Western racist culture. Plus, there are still a number of decent South Koreans living in China. It is unfortunate that their home country have become like that.

P.S.: I have not actively boycotted South Korean products. But I have stopped buying Samsung, and many other high profile brands. They seemed quite arrogant for me. I have also mostly stopped watching Korean films. They are no longer as entertaining anymore. Nowadays, they feel too 'American'. I don't listen to any K-pop rubbish, but I used to observe millennials going crazy about K-pop. Nowadays though, they have grown bored of K-pop and have moved on to Japanese Anime and Chinese pop culture. How funny.
1000% correct.

South Korea's pride and identity is built on their 'ashes-to-miracle economic' recovery, which was built upon subservience to US masters. The idea that Asians (read: Chinese) can independently rise without Western domination is foreign and alien to SK, it hits at the heart of their Identity and Pride. SK thought that only through worshipping the West, that East Asia (Japan/Korea/Taiwan/HK/Singapore) could become success. That's why SK wholesale copy American fashion, music, culture, even Christianity. I remember SKers were saying why doesn't China just give up to US demands during the trade war, because China would be obliterated without US market access. That's the subservient mindset of South Korea - no spine to stand up to US, expecting Chinese to do the same. Their nationalism is extreme.... borderline fascism at times with emphasis on 'blood kinship' and homogeneity of race.
 
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