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Chandragupt

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Replacing a near worthless fighter with another... just a small batch to test manifacturing process and airframe fatigue.

It will serve to keep some level of ego and having an active fighter aircraft designing team.
That's your hunch but any neutral analyst who has analysed the specs of this fighter jet would agree that it's the best 4th generation fighter jet in the world

All weather all terrain and all altitude compatible has been tested in every condition for last 20 years

Advanced Avionics and a modern digital cockpit with a wide touch-sensitive panoramic display screen dominating the cockpit

incorporates a distinctive 'glass cockpit' in which information is displayed real-time to the pilot and is night vision goggles compatible

features Israeli Elbit DASH-IV Helmet Mounted Display and Sight (HMDS) system. Elbit Systems' Display And Sight Helmet (DASH) enables pilots to aim their weapons simply by looking at the target.

High manneuverability and agility due to the delta wing configuration

High Tech weapon systems can carry weapons from various countries like USA , France , Russia , Israel , UK as well as the Indian DRDO

A highly integrated avionic suit and an advanced quadruplex digital fly by wire system

A multimodal solid-state gallium arsenide (GaAs) based Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar with 992 TR modules

And the list goes on
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Dude, you have done literally nothing but spam on this thread with Tejas, Tejas, Tejas etc...as if it's the greatest and bestest platform in the whole Jai Hind universe.



Are you a salesman for HAL? Despite your constant posts and gushing on this platform it's not really that great, and it's not the best 4th generation fighter in the world. Maybe in your mind, and the minds of many Indians sure. I just don't understand this obsession with this self-proclaimed world beating fighter.

I personally find your approach unsurprising since it's one of the hall marks of many Jai Hinds. The need and the urged to place the cart before the horse. When it comes to boasting, Indians come close to the top. And you clearly have the misplaced Indian arrogance in spade.

Go Tejas.

How about some Arjun tank to change the flavor?
 
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Chandragupt

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Dude, you have done literally nothing but spam on this thread with Tejas, Tejas, Tejas etc...as if it's the greatest and bestest platform in the whole Jai Hind universe.



Are you a salesman for HAL? Despite your constant posts and gushing on this platform it's not really that great, and it's not the best 4th generation fighter in the world. Maybe in your mind, and the minds of many Indians sure. I just don't understand this obsession with this self-proclaimed world beating fighter.

I personally find your approach unsurprising since it's one of the hall marks of many Jai Hinds. The need and the urged to place the cart before the horse. When it comes to boasting, Indians come close to the top. And you clearly have the misplaced Indian arrogance in space.

Go Tejas.

How about some Arjun tank to change the flavor?
Whatever I have said is well documented
Tejas being the best 4th generation fighter jet is not my claim I am only repeating what the pilots who flew this jet have said repeatedly and based on the specs (this fighter jet comes with) any neutral analyst would agree that it's the best 4th gen fighter jet in the world.
None of you have been able to provide a single documented evidence to prove me wrong giving haha reaction doesn't prove anything
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Whatever I have said is well documented
Tejas being the best 4th generation fighter jet is not my claim I am only repeating what the pilots who flew this jet have said repeatedly and based on the specs (this fighter jet comes with) any neutral analyst would agree that it's the best 4th gen fighter jet in the world
Tejas is the BESTEST!!! Now, please do tell us about another platform will you. How about the super duper Brahmos, the best Asian indegenous Aircraft Carrier, INS Vikrant? Or the most modern battlefield MBT Arjun tank?
 

Chandragupt

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Tejas is the BESTEST!!! Now, please do tell us about another platform will you. How about the super duper Brahmos, the best Asian indegenous Aircraft Carrier, INS Vikrant? Or the most modern battlefield MBT Arjun tank?
Still no documented evidence
Provide documented evidence , qoute reference , provide stats to support your claim
I cannot respond to rhetoric
 

kentchang

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Still no documented evidence
Provide documented evidence , qoute reference , provide stats to support your claim
I cannot respond to rhetoric

When a child first scribbled his name at age four, his parents are excited and very proud but the same parents are also fully aware of the CONTEXT of their pride as writing one's own name is not really an impressive a feat for adults. In the CONTEXT of India's first attempt, the Tejas took a very long time but it does represent the completion of the first step/scribble. To the adults in the world, it is just a throwaway child's toy.

Tejas is in a league of its own. It is both the lightest and also the most useless. The trage-comedy here is that you cannot differentiate between polite words, sales pitch, and honest assessments. Like the Dhruv, India cannot give away the Tejas. Every country that ever claimed to have considered the Tejas out of politeness, rejected the plane. Maybe all these aviation/military professionals know something you don't. Their actions are better than any debate here. Talk (what you repeat so much) is dirt cheap. Action (Tejas rejected in ALL competitions) spoke loud and clear. As noted by others in this thread, Tejas is an educational TOY that is useful in sustaining the domestic industrial base until the next generation or two can come up with something actually useful beyond 2030. This is also the same reason why the U.S. is still building the LCS in order to keep the shipyard workers employed until the Constellation is ready. I am sure if you have an uncle working for DRDO or HAL or IAF, he will tell you exactly the same thing. The saddest part is most Tejas components were bought from abroad at exorbitant prices that India had no other choice. If I am Indian, I would be more embarrassed knowing this instead of trying to brag about how much foreign exchange India can afford to waste. The fact India decided to go with a foreign engine (F414) for the next 20 years shows a loser/defeatist mentality admitting that India cannot possibly develop its own and must depend on foreign handouts.

Put what you said in another way. Suppose a Polish guy brags about how great his country's F-35 is and how much it means for Poland to have such amazing technology, what would you think? A bit strange perhaps as all Poland did was signing a big check. This is also how non-Indians think about the Tejas. All the fancy and hard-to-make components are made elsewhere. If I assembled a super-duper 16-core Ryzen box with dual 4090 GPU's, would it be very foolish for me to brag about my own technical expertise when everyone knows all it took was a few mouse clicks on Amazon. Your pride and excitement are very misplaced.
 

Chandragupt

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When a child first scribbled his name at age four, his parents are excited and very proud but the same parents are also fully aware of the CONTEXT of their pride as writing one's own name is not really an impressive a feat for adults. In the CONTEXT of India's first attempt, the Tejas took a very long time but it does represent the completion of the first step/scribble. To the adults in the world, it is just a throwaway child's toy.

Tejas is in a league of its own. It is both the lightest and also the most useless. The trage-comedy here is that you cannot differentiate between polite words, sales pitch, and honest assessments. Like the Dhruv, India cannot give away the Tejas. Every country that ever claimed to have considered the Tejas out of politeness, rejected the plane. Maybe all these aviation/military professionals know something you don't. Their actions are better than any debate here. Talk (what you repeat so much) is dirt cheap. Action (Tejas rejected in ALL competitions) spoke loud and clear. As noted by others in this thread, Tejas is an educational TOY that is useful in sustaining the domestic industrial base until the next generation or two can come up with something actually useful beyond 2030. This is also the same reason why the U.S. is still building the LCS in order to keep the shipyard workers employed until the Constellation is ready. I am sure if you have an uncle working for DRDO or HAL or IAF, he will tell you exactly the same thing. The saddest part is most Tejas components were bought from abroad at exorbitant prices that India had no other choice. If I am Indian, I would be more embarrassed knowing this instead of trying to brag about how much foreign exchange India can afford to waste. The fact India decided to go with a foreign engine (F414) for the next 20 years shows a loser/defeatist mentality admitting that India cannot possibly develop its own and must depend on foreign handouts.

Put what you said in another way. Suppose a Polish guy brags about how great his country's F-35 is and how much it means for Poland to have such amazing technology, what would you think? A bit strange perhaps as all Poland did was signing a big check. This is also how non-Indians think about the Tejas. All the fancy and hard-to-make components are made elsewhere. If I assembled a super-duper 16-core Ryzen box with dual 4090 GPU's, would it be very foolish for me to brag about my own technical expertise when everyone knows all it took was a few mouse clicks on Amazon. Your pride and excitement are very misplaced.
1.Tejas is not the first fighter jet which is made in India , The first made in India fighter jet was HF24 Marut , India was the first Asian Country which designed developed and inducted a Supersonic Single Engine fighter jet
150 units of this jet were inducted into IAF but it was discontinued because the engines were underpowered and the alternative engine was costly.

2.Just Because Tejas has been rejected by some Country doesn't mean it's useless Indian Airforce has rejected several different aircrafts in MMRCA that doesn't make those aircrafts useless if we go by your logic no country uses Chinese made fighter jets (except for bankrupt Pakistan) does that make Chinese fighter jets useless ?

3.It's true that the Engine used in Tejas are made in USA but just because Tejas is using American engines at this stage doesn't necessarily mean it will continue using these engines for it's entire lifetime
News is coming that GE is willing to transfer 100% of the technology of GE F-404 and GE F-414 engine to India
If they do it all the 4th generation fighter jets India develops would use made in India GE Engines but if they don't do it India is gonna develop a turbofan 110KN class low bypass turbofan engine in next 8-10 years anyway
 

Fulcrum007

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For combat?
Well, in case you are not caught up, N-LCA as a "combat-intended" aircraft is long dead since December, 2016 when the Navy decided to pull out citing various shortcomings for all obvious reasons.

Initially, ADA had estimated that NP-1 would differ from the LCA Air Force fighter version by about 15 percent, therefore the designers tried to limit the changes to the mid-fuselage only, but as the detailed design work progressed the extent of changes burgeoned to as much as 40-45 percent. Furthermore, it was evident that this constraint resulted in a sub-optimal and heavier than anticipated design taking away much of the MTOW with a drastically increased empty weight such as those from the arrestor hook and affiliated stowage, strengthened landing gear, heavy-actuator laden LEVCONS, the increased droop angle and all the flight instrumentation equipment which it would carry (estimated to be about 0.3T in AF versions).
The strengthened landing gear would ‘sprawl’ under its airframe therefore preventing the carriage of EFTs or indeed any heavy stores on the inboard weapons stations of the NLCA Mk1’s wings.

Consequentially, only the centerline and mid-board stations could be used for any viable heavy stores, thereby limiting the payload flexibility of the design.
In case you haven't read my previous post. So yea, this essence of a "combat payload demonstration" is pretty much moot since the need simply does not exist any more.
 
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Fulcrum007

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Regardless.

From what's known about its payload configuration is the given below speculation.IMG-20230207-WA0002.jpg
From what can be inferred, it could best manage a payload (highly A2A CAP centric) of 1.9T to 3.4T depending on the fuel. This was tested and trialed "extensively" from the SBTF facility in Goa.

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From an ADA brochure.

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Similar configuration seen in an exhibit.
 

Chandragupt

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Can anyone here list the single engine light category fighter jets with the capability to operate from an aircraft carrier
I didn't find a single video of SAAB Gripen operating from an aircraft carrier
 
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