The War in the Ukraine

[Biscuits]

Yeah, I thought so too. But, after reality check- I'm not ashamed to say that I learned a thing or two about Russia and it's capabilities. Why most people on this forum still has such inflated opinion on Russia- it's beyond my comprehension.

About the facts- US during the Gulf War defeated Iraq by using 3 armoured, 2 mechanised, 2 airborne and 2 marine divisions. How many divisions used Russia in 2022 not to defeat Ukraine?

US mobilized 450k troops to defeat about 500k total troops from their own former colony that had no command structure whatsoever and had atrocious morale. To the point where US only ever killed approximately 45k Iraqi soldiers, a number of Ukrainians which Russia likely ecplised by June last year. Yet obviously Ukraine is not surrendering like Iraq would do, because they have actual leaders and formations which are trained to some level.

Comparing a war where one side is basically afk command wise due to incompetence vs a war where both sides have working commands, tacticians and are able to actually control their manpower is comparing apples and oranges.

Even if you discount for Iraqi inability to actually control their troops, numbers were still far more favorable for US relative to Iraq compared to Russia against Ukraine.

 

[abc123]

They were not backed by 24/7 external AWACS and all the borders were practically sealed. even Syria turned against Irak.

If Russia defeated Ukraine in a month, like Iraq was defeated in about a month, both in 1991 and 2003, all that foreign assistance would mean very little. But, Russian attack stalled within a few days, and after that- it's mostly one disaster after another.

 

[Overbom]

If Russia defeated Ukraine in a month, like Iraq was defeated in about a month, both in 1991 and 2003, all that foreign assistance would mean very little. But, Russian attack stalled within a few days, and after that- it's mostly one disaster after another.

You aren't wrong but you oversimplified the matter.

In general, yes, if Russia had made a quick advance against Ukraine, all this Western support would have amounted to nothing.
To conclude, the war was Russia's to lose from the moment they started. Actually, its still Russia's to lose as we speak now

Russia has a lot of power but for some reason isn't able to wield it to achieve its goals. Its like a strong weightlifter with a toddler's brain. They have power, but they can't/won't or don't know how to use it

 

[Overbom]

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France open to sending fighter jets to Ukraine​

President Emmanuel Macron says ‘nothing is excluded’ after US rules out supplying F-16s

France has signalled openness to sending fighter jets to Ukraine as western countries weigh the next steps in military assistance to help Kyiv resist Russian attacks.

“By definition, nothing is excluded,” President Emmanuel Macron said at a press conference in The Hague on Monday, adding that he had not received a request for jets from Ukraine.

Paris has informed other European capitals that the possibility of sending additional weapons systems, including jets, is on the table, according to two officials briefed on the discussions, but a decision is unlikely to be made in the immediate future.

Ukraine’s defence minister Oleksiy Reznikov met Macron and his French counterpart in Paris on Tuesday and said they discussed jets, but no “specific names or types of planes”.

 

[manqiangrexue]

If Russia defeated Ukraine in a month, like Iraq was defeated in about a month, both in 1991 and 2003, all that foreign assistance would mean very little. But, Russian attack stalled within a few days, and after that- it's mostly one disaster after another.

Reread:

The War in the Ukraine

Try to imagine if say US miltary is in war against Ukraine. There wouldn't be moving convoys, because all would be destroyed and US forces would be in Russian border by the end of first month. End of story. That's the way such things are done. Not this. US had not gone to war with any country...

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On top of that, it ties back into my original point that Russian power was corrupted by a prolonged peace; it needed time to wake up so a quick victory and without overwhelming strikes on civilian population, was not on the cards. In the long run, Russia will win nonetheless.

About the facts- US during the Gulf War defeated Iraq by using 3 armoured, 2 mechanised, 2 airborne and 2 marine divisions. How many divisions used Russia in 2022 not to defeat Ukraine?

You mean to not yet defeat a Ukraine with 30 Western countries' blood IV's attached to it? LOL How many countries went to help Iraq? Russia is bleeding out Europe while tying down the US all by itself. It's buying China vaulable time and routing Western resources away from America's tech war at the same time regardless of whether it meant to do so. It's a heroic feat.

What happened during the Gulf War? Even when targetting a small militarily incompetent foe, the US needed over 30 other countries to help it.

 

[pmc]

If Russia defeated Ukraine in a month, like Iraq was defeated in about a month, both in 1991 and 2003, all that foreign assistance would mean very little. But, Russian attack stalled within a few days, and after that- it's mostly one disaster after another.

Pay attention to what i wrote. it was and is not in Russia interest to shorten the war. It is irrelevant what other party throw at it. the more the better.

 

[Gloire_bb]

It's less vulnerable, more capable but at the same time incredibly expensive compared to tanks in older generation. I don't think any nation could churn out the newest tanks by the thousands like they used to do, since both production and training is much more compliced due to technological improvements. Hence you see both the Soviets and USA store tanks by the thousands.

In general tanks are just a lot less disposable than they used to be.

Well, it appears that Russian tank printer is coming back from slumber as we speak...

 

[vincent]

No more talk of Gulf War or what if scenarios. Further off-topic posts will be deleted.

 

[sheogorath]

Russian soldier pretends to be dead after having a drone drop a grenade on him just to catch the drone with his hands when it got too close

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1620404523633356800

Detail of the T-73B3M Obr 2022. Bags with extra ERA have been replaced with metal boxes and there is more extensive coverage of ERA bricks on the roof of the turret and anchor points for cope cages



More air-to-air drone combat

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1620409321518669824

 

[Abominable]

Two interesting revelations about this war from Pepe Escobar. One there's rumours of a Blinken proposing a Ukrainian surrender deal. The article, posted by deep state neocon David Ignatius appeared in the Washington Post.

The Ukraine would be partitioned and Russia gets to keep the territories it liberated: Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye. The rump Ukrainian state would also be demilitarised.

Sounds like a bad deal to me, at a minimum it should have included Kharkov and Odessa, and it does nothing to address the denazification of the Ukrainian state.

Also:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1619421836613419008