In the end, the numbers they hope to gain to take on China will be no where near enough, not to mention the weapons that Australia has is woefully out of date that quite frankly, by the time Australia is ready to do anything, the war against China and the USA (assuming that the US economy doesn't collapse first) would not only be over, but the Australian military would sheepishly withdraw there navy and simply just let it go from there because in all seriousness, their is no future where Australia will ever come out ahead against China and very soon, the same will happen to the USA also if they don't fix there debt issues right now also, I wonder how all national grid is going with the oil being pumped from the national reserves, did they manage to refill it and what about the Albram tanks, are they ready for Russia right now because those Leopards being sent is only numbered 14 from Gemany and similar numbers from other places, ARE YOU FU&KING kidding me, is that supposed to be a super saiyan weapon because those tanks are not going to do jack squat
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Same in both Canada and the US.
US will do open borders and grant the illegals crossing Full citizenship in exchange for service. Also all the innmates will get pardon in exchange for fight China
Agree. Seriously, now it's prime time for China to look into ways that should work towards effectively deterring a modern-day civilizational holocaust - And if that being inevitable, survive it.
This is because the current deterrence posture that China does have is no longer enough to stop those insane warmongering supremacist hawks in the collective West from causing trouble, harm and destruction to China and the rest of the Global South anymore.
they don't need to worry about that, embedded marine barrier battalions will be there to make sure that defeatist thoughts are resolutely suppressed. they're about to find out what 'joint command' really means.
Realistically it would probably be an Afghan scenario China announces blockade US along with West runs its mouth but too chicken to do anything about it some naval PR stunt from both sides, West pretend annexation didn't happen on technicality and claim did nothing so to preserve peace, Go back to business as usual and prefer not to talk about it but society wide there would be a silent acknowledgement and understanding among westerners, would be very similar to how Japanese got treated after War With Russia nobody wanted to talk about it but if a Rich Chinese merchant wanted to avoid harrasment and bribe when returning home after closing shop from European police in the streets in South east Asian colonies all he had to do was to hire a Japanese prostitute then nobody would dare to approach or disrespect you,no more of that passive aggressive pettiness, Taiwan effect on Western society would be similar but probably much more subtle,widespread and deeper.
A lot of young people in S Korea seem to be pretty unhappy with society and life in general. Some of the sentiments are echoed in China (too much competition) but Chinese in general are more optimistic. People tend to blame external sources and China is a big scapegoat. Not much different than Americans blaming Chinese for "stealing our jobs", which easily transitions people to become war hawks.
S Korean public in general have absolute faith in US military dominance. By this logic, who doesn't want to join the winning side and share the spoils of war, and crush the bourgeoning giant next door? The really detached from reality nationalists think their navy can blockade Bohai and strangle China. Obviously the country's leaders are not hot-headed like that, but unfortunately conflict can't be ruled out in the future.
Strategy wise this is an attempt by the US to divert attention of the PLA's powerful NTC to focus on S Korea. S Korea doesn't have to intervene to draw Chinese forces away from concentrating on the main battlefield.
Korean nationalists would love to “take back” Manchuria according to their logic that they used to occupy it 1,000 years ago. With such insanity in play you can’t really play nice with them and assume they’ll be rational if a nationalist leader is put into power by the US.
The correct course of action is more nukes and a more aggressive posture towards their use. Japan and Korea are both vulnerable to nuclear attacks. That’s the best deterrence against them pulling anything. Of course the US may use them as sacrificial pawns in a nuclear exchange but I don’t think either Japan or Korea would like that role. More importantly, the US would never risk it if China had MAD.
Americans, by and large, do not like to see themselves bleed. This is why they were so careful to manage risks vs. the Soviets and today, vs. the Russians. They know they have a winning hand in terms of geography and abundant resources so they'd prefer not to gamble it in a nuclear conflict. Taiwan is not important enough for Americans to risk it all.
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They are certainly risking it with all the red lines they are crossing with regards to Russia and China right now, along with all the instability they are forcing on the global south. If the USA tries to focus its entire forces against China, Russia still obviously wants pay back for everything the USA has done and we should not expect them to telegraph what their next move will be when the USA takes it tee off the pedal for too long, considering how a nuclear destroyer is recently heading to the Atlantic in the direction of the USA as of now (think Cuban crisis, only worse). This is a hybrid war and the dollar as of now is under attack along with Allie’s in The Middle East is being woo away from the west and let’s not forget Africa. If the USA makes too many errors, they should expect retribution. It would be stupid for Russia and China to go back to the status quo ones everything is done, the USA is not in a position to endlessly wage war without consequences any more, I mean look at the inflation that is going up right now along with eight years of resources wasted In Ukraine only to lose territory
Basing defenses around nukes would be an admission of conventional inferiority. Not that there's anything wrong with that. You can still win the cold war even with conventional inferiority if you have economical superiority.
I think China has already passed the stage where that would be needed. Otherwise they'd have gone for mass tactical nuke use which there's no indication of.
The reason US would risk war is because they assess (whether rightly or not) that Taiwan is not core enough to China that it would trigger MAD if they invade. The same way China would also have cause to believe that Okinawa, Guam, South Korea or the Baltics are not core enough to USA that their capture would cause MAD.
The chance of war is very high because at this point, it seems almost guaranteed that China's belief is that making US invade and fail is the path that opens up most advantages for them in the long term. Meanwhile US needs any method to feel relevant again, as their economy is unable to keep up.