China's SCS Strategy Thread

[ansy1968]

I had a question for you, do the Philippines teach their kids about the US and Spanish colonization?

Because if they don't we'll know the situation has changed substantially when that begins to be emphasized.

Yes, we have, I'm part of my school varsity in History debates, the tone differentiate when it comes to American occupation where they delist the Balangiga Bell massacre as a mere incident BUT amplify the Japanese abuses during WW2 as savage. meaning they're a benign occupier who teaches us english and become civilized....lol

 

[PhSt]

Filipinos need to be reminded constantly that throughout their two thousand years of interaction with China, the Chinese civilization has treated Filipinos with respect. When the Anglos arrived in the Philippines, Filipinos were placed in human zoos.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Canada wants to involve herself in the Taiwan internal affairs of China.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580301716540428288

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

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Upon taking office, Marco Jr made headlines by canceling three major Chinese projects due to lack of financing. During his trip this week, the Filipino leader will likely press for greater clarity and tangible investment from the Asian giant.

The two sides are also expected to revisit earlier plans for joint energy exploration projects in the South China Sea, especially with the Malampaya plant set to expire. What Marcos Jr is willing to offer in return, especially amid his warming and expanding military ties with Beijing’s rival Washington, however, remains to be seen.

 

[Overbom]

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Upon taking office, Marco Jr made headlines by canceling three major Chinese projects due to lack of financing. During his trip this week, the Filipino leader will likely press for greater clarity and tangible investment from the Asian giant.

The two sides are also expected to revisit earlier plans for joint energy exploration projects in the South China Sea, especially with the Malampaya plant set to expire. What Marcos Jr is willing to offer in return, especially amid his warming and expanding military ties with Beijing’s rival Washington, however, remains to be seen.

If China didn't proceed with big infrastructure deals with Duterte dunno what Marcos is aiming to achieve with playing the US card.

Marcos is probably thinking that this will give him leverage when dealing with Xi but little does he know that just the existence of this card gives pause to Chinese policymakers to give big money to Philippines.

If Philippines was an actual independent country and sincerely wanted to cooperate with China it would have dropped the UNCLOS case. Instead Philippines keeps playing that card which is a direct threat of China's national security and interests.

He better clean up house and learn some proper manners first before bothering with such trips. Trashing their UNCLOS case would be a good first step

 

[BlackWindMnt]

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Upon taking office, Marco Jr made headlines by canceling three major Chinese projects due to lack of financing. During his trip this week, the Filipino leader will likely press for greater clarity and tangible investment from the Asian giant.

The two sides are also expected to revisit earlier plans for joint energy exploration projects in the South China Sea, especially with the Malampaya plant set to expire. What Marcos Jr is willing to offer in return, especially amid his warming and expanding military ties with Beijing’s rival Washington, however, remains to be seen.

Seems like Marcos has a though job ahead the next 2~3 days. But the article is also written by Richard Heydarian so i will take it with a bit of salt.

He does seems to have stacked his hand with "US military cards" he can hopefully trade in for power infrastructure but it can also backfire then it's pretty much game over if you ask me and the Philippines will most likely experience a lost 5~6 years because of a weak Marcos presidency.

 

[gelgoog]

He is being a dolt. There is nothing to gain from letting the US put its military bases back. In fact there is quite a lot to lose.

 

[Overbom]

Seems like Marcos has a though job ahead the next 2~3 days. But the article is also written by Richard Heydarian so i will take it with a bit of salt.

He does seems to have stacked his hand with "US military cards" he can hopefully trade in for power infrastructure but it can also backfire then it's pretty much game over if you ask me and the Philippines will most likely experience a lost 5~6 years because of a weak Marcos presidency.

He won't achieve anything important.

The more Philippines waits, the more the rest of ASEAN takes advantage of Philippines weak economy. Also as a developing country, Philippines should be firing at all cylinders for years and decades if it wants to develop.

However, playing these games only ensures that every year Philippines accumulates critical infrastructure deficiencies which in turn blocks or significantly slows down further economic development

So golden rule for developing countries:
Don't play geopolitics, play ball with everyone, attract investment from everyone.

 

[Jono]

that begs the question: democracy in a developing country, a Boon or Bane in terms of economic progress?
for long-term development, you need national unity, a visionary grand strategy, a coherent working policy, achievable goals, and strong stable leaders/governments who have the determination to push for success despite opposition, interference, and initial setbacks.
Does the Philippines, or any other "democratic" developing countries for that matter, possess all these favorable factors, and be strong enough to resist US pressure, derailment, and sabotage? The answer is most likely No, IMHO.
So I don't have high expectations that the visit of Mr. Marcos Junior to Beijing will bear significant achievements for both countries.
For one, the US will simply not allow Marcos to sign the DOC ( Declaration of Conducts on SCS ) with China during this visit, otherwise, as an outsider, the US Navy will lose its pretext or not have any anchorage to interfere in the affairs of SCS with impunity.

 

[hullopilllw]

If China didn't proceed with big infrastructure deals with Duterte dunno what Marcos is aiming to achieve with playing the US card.

Marcos is probably thinking that this will give him leverage when dealing with Xi but little does he know that just the existence of this card gives pause to Chinese policymakers to give big money to Philippines.

If Philippines was an actual independent country and sincerely wanted to cooperate with China it would have dropped the UNCLOS case. Instead Philippines keeps playing that card which is a direct threat of China's national security and interests.

He better clean up house and learn some proper manners first before bothering with such trips. Trashing their UNCLOS case would be a good first step

A small time power has zero leverage over a superpower, both in principal and substance. Just be glad that China is not like the US.

He is being a dolt. There is nothing to gain from letting the US put its military bases back. In fact there is quite a lot to lose.

That's a reason why the Philippines developed to the state it is today, if their leaders are capable and smart enough, things would have been totally different.