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KYli

Brigadier
Irrelevant to my post. I said “ The law does not differentiate the types of company,it applies universally to all company”,if you disagree with this statement,then please indicate the part of law says it only applies to certain companies
Did google comply with the Chinese laws? It didn't. Google didn't comply with Chinese laws in the first place so why should it get accessed to the Chinese market. Same thing with other social media companies. They need first to comply with Chinese laws before granting access to the Chinese market.
I got to admit that I have no your interest in mind
Another rambling that I don't know what you are trying to say.
Your argument that Chinese people shouldn't fight against special interest groups is even more pathetic
Chinese people fighting special interests and granting Chinese market access to CIA google, FB, and Twitter are two different things. Your attempt to put these two things together show me your true intention is.
 

tonyget

Senior Member
Registered Member
You don't see how being Chinese and having Chinese friends is an authentic Chinese experience while trolling Chinese forums on Google translate isn't? You don't see how dining at a restaurant gives you a better understanding of the restaurant than sneaking into the oil dump and drinking a bit of that? Well, everyone else does, but you... not there yet.

I guess that "everyone else" does not include hundreds of millions Chinese netizen

Because that's the most important thing and that's what people want to talk about here. That's what everyone else assumes too. What did you mean, Chinese forums about cooking, home ec, exercise?

Nobody thinks that's the most important thing other than the CCP

Makes me wonder if you're typing this from your mental ward.

There is a saying circulating on Chinese internet "中宣部,战五渣",ever heard of it?

Yeah but your answer was what I already countered. Can't you read?

You: There are more Chinese people who can't read English than who can.
Me: But those who can are usually more educated and more capable of leading China so they are more heavily weighted. China is not a democracy.
You: But more people tho.

Just so you know, in a debate, repeating a point that was countered doesn't count as a new counter.

Firstly,you are proclaiming that english speaking Chinese are superior than Chinese who don't speak english,that I disagree.

Secondly,I am talking about who is more representative of Chinese population. Education level is irrelevant here. If the majority of population of a country are rednecks,then rednecks are the representative of that country. In no country elites represent the vast population . Saying only most the educated group represent the average people,is like saying only the likes of Jack Ma represent the average wealth Chinese people possess.

No, I said your methods have a sampling bias if it discusses politics, which is what everyone else is here to do but if you want to play stupid and back out by pretending you were talking about unrelated things, go ahead. I gave you too much credit thinking you were wrong but on topic. Seems you actually can't find the topic at all.

If you lack confidence in Chinese people's opinion,that only means you did something wrong. If you did everything right,then you would only see praise from Chinese people.

You living in a basement? Because the real world is outside, not on your screen. As much as I post here, I talk 10x more to people than I write, even more if you tried to include all topics rather than just politics. Don't assume everyone has nothing better to do than stare at a screen just because that's your take on life.

You seem to be more devoted to your screen than I do,simply by post count. Attacking me personally doesn't make you more legit

That's true. Many creepy foriegners should stay away from China unless they have good business to do there. Come in a suit representing a company with a contract = not creepy. "I'm so interested in Asian culture; maybe Chinese people will like me more than my countrymen. I want an authentic Chinese experience! Look, I can recognize 192 Chinese words now and can insert them randomly into English sentences sometimes like 中宣部 to show how much I know about China!" = max level creep.

BTW, funny story. A while back, I had a different creeper, (or at least I think it was a different creeper; I don't tell yall apart very well) write Xi Jinping in Chinese characters out of the entire wall of English and I almost dropped my food laughing like he thought I would go, "Oh shit! He knows Chinese; he knows everything!!!" LOLOL

There are even more Chinese who lives overseas,and claim to be an expert of certain country,including members on this very fourm. Pretty creepy right?

Trying to lessen the creep load on my awesome country, less people calling themselves "China experts" making Chinese people throw up.

I cannot even count how many people here acting like "US experts"

Oops, you thought too highly of yourself again. Xi wasn't thinking about you. Honestly, we don't make anything for foreigners. It's for Chinese people in China and the English version is for Chinese people overseas, sometimes with limited Chinese command.

Lol,is that why this forum use english instead of Chinese?Because overseas Chinese people cannot read Chinese?And the forum rule specifically states that you can only post in english because some members don't read Chinese?
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I guess that "everyone else" does not include hundreds of millions Chinese netizen
No, it doesn't. It means everyone else here on the forum you are participating in and can vote with their support on posts. It's tangible rather than the, "Oh Chinese people in China are different from you guys" claim. You can check the Chinese forums too: "Does a creepy foreigner trolling Chinese forums on Google translate have an authentic Chinese experience?" The political forums will give you the finger and the other ones will ignore it because they have no idea what that that bullcrap is even about. But that's apparently where you want to be, right?
Nobody thinks that's the most important thing other than the CCP
And apparently every other member here because this is a defense forum, which is the backbone to politics. Didn't know you were here to talk about random other things. Maybe mind the forum name next time.
There is a saying circulating on Chinese internet "中宣部,战五渣",ever heard of it?
I don't converse with foreign creeps in Chinese. It is reserved for business use and use with my countrymen.
Firstly,you are proclaiming that english speaking Chinese are superior than Chinese who don't speak english,that I disagree.
I simply said that English speaking Chinese have a broader understanding of the world and the battlefield in large whereas those who have never left China understand a much smaller and seemingly less dangerous world. I never said superior. Those guys in China can math/physics/innovate the shit out of anybody anyday no matter what the language.
Secondly,I am talking about who is more representative of Chinese population. Education level is irrelevant here. If the majority of population of a country are rednecks,then rednecks are the representative of that country. In no country elites represent the vast population . Saying only most the educated group represent the average people,is like saying only the likes of Jack Ma represent the average wealth Chinese people possess.
Well, that will apparantly depend on what you're talking about. And that topic could very well result in a selection bias if most people with less extreme opinions do not go online to express them. What are you talking about?
If you lack confidence in Chinese people's opinion,that only means you did something wrong. If you did everything right,then you would only see praise from Chinese people.
No, it's just that I had no idea that you were so far off topic that I was wrong to assume that it was even politically-directioned. I don't know what the hell you're talking about now. It could be any random hobby in China. Get back to me when you grow a spine and can nail down a topic rather than trying to escape every debate with, "Oh, I wasn't talking about that. Why do you assume I was? Oh, no it's not this either. Politics isn't important. I'm not talking about anything in particular." LOL Get the bones to stand up before you jellyfish yourself into a fight.
You seem to be more devoted to your screen than I do,simply by post count. Attacking me personally doesn't make you more legit
You're the one assuming everyone's life is what you read on the screen. That's what you directly said; it is not data extrapolation from yours or our post counts. I have been here longer than you, post more than you but like I said, my interactions are at least 10X more in person. All facts.
There are even more Chinese who lives overseas,and claim to be an expert of certain country,including members on this very fourm. Pretty creepy right?
I have never seen a Chinese person call himself a France/UK/Australia/US expert before. To all the Chinese people, I say, be an expert in STEM, not in some other culture.

But also, because the of the differences in the way that societies are structured, Chinese people who grew up in the West, where the culture tries to assimilate them will have more understanding of these nations than a foreigner who grew up in China (and much much more over foreigners who actually speak broken Chinese) which regards them as eternal foreigners.
I cannot even count how many people here acting like "US experts"
Try to find one.
Lol,is that why this forum use english instead of Chinese?Because overseas Chinese people cannot read Chinese?And the forum rule specifically states that you can only post in english because some members don't read Chinese?
Damn you're ignorant. Do you think this is a Chinese forum or something? This is an American forum. Do you even realize that? There were no Chinese-speaking mods when the forum began. So obviously, they didn't want Chinese people to post Chinese everywhere on an American forum making it foreign to its own creators and officers. The reason you might think this is a Chinese forum is that it has become so pro-China in recent years because, apparently, the truth has a pro-Chinese angle.
 

Stierlitz

Junior Member
Registered Member
What is this forum's opinion on SCMP ?

They have couple of contributors whose columns I enjoy reading, but for the most part they seem to assume anti-China stance.

Most of their articles have a defeatist tone to them and they are very prone to exaggeration. Every time they write about the U.S. chip restrictions, they act like it is game over for Chinese semiconductor industry. Their coverage of Russo-Ukrainian war has also been completely in line with the NATO narrative. Since their acquisition by Alibaba Group, many critics have accused them of being on a mission to promote China's soft power abroad, but I just don't see it.

I suspect that large presence of Anglo-Saxons in their staff is related to their anti-China & pro-West stance.
 

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coolgod

Captain
Registered Member
What is this forum's opinion on SCMP ?

They have couple of contributors whose columns I enjoy reading, but for the most part they seem to assume anti-China stance.

Most of their articles have a defeatist tone to them and they are very prone to exaggeration. Every time they write about the U.S. chip restrictions, they act like it is game over for Chinese semiconductor industry. Their coverage of Russo-Ukrainian war has also been completely in line with the NATO narrative. Since their acquisition by Alibaba Group, many critics have accused them of being on a mission to promote China's soft power abroad, but I just don't see it.

I suspect that large presence of Anglo-Saxons in their staff is related to their anti-China & pro-West stance.
Absolute trash, the only things worth reading are some exclusive leaks given by the Chinese Gov to the world.
 

KYli

Brigadier
What is this forum's opinion on SCMP ?

They have couple of contributors whose columns I enjoy reading, but for the most part they seem to assume anti-China stance.

Most of their articles have a defeatist tone to them and they are very prone to exaggeration. Every time they write about the U.S. chip restrictions, they act like it is game over for Chinese semiconductor industry. Their coverage of Russo-Ukrainian war has also been completely in line with the NATO narrative. Since their acquisition by Alibaba Group, many critics have accused them of being on a mission to promote China's soft power abroad, but I just don't see it.

I suspect that large presence of Anglo-Saxons in their staff is related to their anti-China & pro-West stance.
SCMP was only pretended to be neutral but now it doesn't even try to play the role. Most of its staffs, both Westerners and Chinese, are anti-China and pro-West. It has been very bias from COVID, vaccines, semiconductor to Russo-Ukrainian War.

Alibaba purchased of SCMP and didn't make any attempt to make it less bias could be a signal that Jack Ma himself isn't that pro-China as he pretends to be. Most Hong Kong media is very pro-West. After most bias Apple daily and Stand News got shut down, Oriental Daily and Ming Pao have picked up the anti-China agendas which show us it is systematic and well coordinated attempts to demonize China, mainland Chinese and Hong Kong government within the Hong Kong media sector.

I wouldn't waste more time with SCMP. A few years ago, it is still useful to read SCMP for some general news but now it is waste of time except some news that the Chinese government intentionally leaked to SCMP.
 

coolgod

Captain
Registered Member
This is bugging me. The Chinese government is giving SCMP credits that SCMP does not deserve at all. Why is the government doing it? Are CPC's own PR agencies not tursted by anyone anymore?
That is one reason, another is plausible deniability. If SCMP quotes an anonymous Chinese official about Xi's upcoming trip to Russia, if Xi cancels the trip, China and Russia can both pass it off as fake news. If Xinhua/CGTN/GT comes out with the rumor, it will be harder to pass that off as fake news.
 

KYli

Brigadier
This is bugging me. The Chinese government is giving SCMP credits that SCMP does not deserve at all. Why is the government doing it? Are CPC's own PR agencies not tursted by anyone anymore?
Some news can't be reported by the state owned media. Often, it is a signal or policy direction that China needs deniability. Also, there are news that leaked by special interest groups within China or different factions that wanted to pressure the central government or shape some agenda. For example Pfizer vaccine, we have multiple leaks saying it would get approved in Summer of 2021 and then fall, then Spring and even now. Why, there are special interest groups that would make a ton of money from Pfizer vaccine especially Fosun.
 

SanWenYu

Senior Member
Registered Member
That is one reason,
CPC really should revamp its propaganda department.

another is plausible deniability. If SCMP quotes an anonymous Chinese official about Xi's upcoming trip to Russia, if Xi cancels the trip, China and Russia can both pass it off as fake news. If Xinhua/CGTN/GT comes out with the rumor, it will be harder to pass that off as fake news.
Some news can't be reported by the state owned media. Often, it is a signal or policy direction that China needs deniability.
Why couldn't the government create a media of its own for this purpose?

Also, there are news that leaked by special interest groups within China or different factions that wanted to pressure the central government or shape some agenda. For example Pfizer vaccine, we have multiple leaks saying it would get approved in Summer of 2021 and then fall, then Spring and even now. Why, there are special interest groups that would make a ton of money from Pfizer vaccine especially Fosun.
SIGs like this are not same as the central government. In such cases, the SIGs are taking advantage of the government's mistake in having used SCMP for intentional leaks.

The government could have used one of its own agencies, like GT, for intentional leaks.
 
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