Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

zgx09t

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Talked to kins in Chengdu. Apparently they only knew about the protest in the morning through local weibo housewife group, even though that happened close their condo. Allegedly there were two protest sites, the other one got unnoticed, maybe too small. Most locals felt insulted by those coming in from outside doing stuff. The most complaint about the movement restrictions is due to how China housing structures are built. Condos are built on land parcels so they are grouped into towers or blocks, normally 4,6,8 towers etc, each maybe 30 to 50 floors. So one guy on 36th floor of the 4th tower tested positive, then the whole condo group is lumped together, so the guys on the opposite end of the blocks would complain, as they would normally share the exit and entrance. That's one for all and all for one in 21st century setting. Nowadays it would be only like 5 days, not like before, it's bearable. Local officials don't want too many covid numbers on their records, let alone deaths. These same guys have done a lot for locals so it's not all complaints. It should be floor specific, room specific quarantine, not 2,000 people for 2 cases. Virus prevention and containment is important and must keep infections and spread at a most possible minimum, but how to approach it is equally important. If anyone gets it right, it must be China, nobody else. Dynamic zero covid is theoretically correct, only the application needs to catch up.
 

manqiangrexue

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did you see the number of death from unvaccinated vs vaccinated+booster?
Not bad, however, do you know how many deaths that amounts to in a population like China, with density 4x that of the US increasing the spread rate?

Another factor to consider: those who get vaxed never, once, twice, 3 times, are increasingly careful people. Someone who gets vaccinated at every chance is more likely to be a person who wears a mask and gloves when shopping and reduces unneeded exposure to crowds as much as possible while a person who refuses vaccination is more likely to be a person who makes it a point that COVID is fake and likes to show how he can bravely expose himself every chance he gets.
its already affect economy + social life, the longer lockdown just mean more protest
It's killing economies of countries that don't do COVID restrictions; they went into recession and China didn't. Don't blame your social life on COVID; blame it on yourself if you're not happy with it. Who's scared of more protests? They're already fizzling out getting more and more retarded every day. You have 5 CIA shills getting cursed out by a local crowd now. If they really wanna protest, they can move somewhere else and go spread their diseases there, but as long as they live in China, they live by Chinese rules.
also whats your solution ? continue lockdown indefinitely?
Not today doesn't mean indefinitely. There are choices between open up now and never open up; watch for the virus to attenutate, being the most reasonable one but it looks like that's a pretty challenging concept for you.
thats just speculation. i could also say the opposite but with data from CDC.
but its your opinion. so whats your solution? lockdown another 2 year or more. after 3 year COVID is not gonna become mild as flu anytime soon.
You know what's real speculation? Unfounded, uneducated speculation? This here: "COVID is not gonna become mild as flu anytime soon."
 

daifo

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Talked to kins in Chengdu. Apparently they only knew about the protest in the morning through local weibo housewife group, even though that happened close their condo. Allegedly there were two protest sites, the other one got unnoticed, maybe too small. Most locals felt insulted by those coming in from outside doing stuff. The most complaint about the movement restrictions is due to how China housing structures are built. Condos are built on land parcels so they are grouped into towers or blocks, normally 4,6,8 towers etc, each maybe 30 to 50 floors. So one guy on 36th floor of the 4th tower tested positive, then the whole condo group is lumped together, so the guys on the opposite end of the blocks would complain, as they would normally share the exit and entrance. That's one for all and all for one in 21st century setting. Nowadays it would be only like 5 days, not like before, it's bearable. Local officials don't want too many covid numbers on their records, let alone deaths. These same guys have done a lot for locals so it's not all complaints. It should be floor specific, room specific quarantine, not 2,000 people for 2 cases. Virus prevention and containment is important and must keep infections and spread at a most possible minimum, but how to approach it is equally important. If anyone gets it right, it must be China, nobody else. Dynamic zero covid is theoretically correct, only the application needs to catch up.

I think the problems is shared ventilation , older indoor sewerpipes without the U to prevent sewer vapors, and the sewer chimney ventilation. Those were all items that was found to spread SARS 1 hence China's over zealousness with locking up entire buildings and blocks.
 

tonyget

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The National Health and Medical Commission issued a work plan to strengthen the vaccination of the elderly against the new crown virus

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[National Health and Medical Commission issued a work plan to strengthen the vaccination of the elderly against the new crown virus] Recently, all localities have insisted on focusing on the elderly over 60 years old, further compacting territorial responsibilities, increasing organizational and social mobilization, and striving to increase the vaccination rate of the new crown virus. The vaccination rate of the first dose of the vaccine for people over 60 years old has exceeded 90%, but it is still necessary to continue to do a good job of full vaccination and strengthening immunization for people aged 60-79, especially those over 80 years old.
 

zhangjim

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Talked to kins in Chengdu. Apparently they only knew about the protest in the morning through local weibo housewife group, even though that happened close their condo. Allegedly there were two protest sites, the other one got unnoticed, maybe too small. Most locals felt insulted by those coming in from outside doing stuff. The most complaint about the movement restrictions is due to how China housing structures are built. Condos are built on land parcels so they are grouped into towers or blocks, normally 4,6,8 towers etc, each maybe 30 to 50 floors. So one guy on 36th floor of the 4th tower tested positive, then the whole condo group is lumped together, so the guys on the opposite end of the blocks would complain, as they would normally share the exit and entrance. That's one for all and all for one in 21st century setting. Nowadays it would be only like 5 days, not like before, it's bearable. Local officials don't want too many covid numbers on their records, let alone deaths. These same guys have done a lot for locals so it's not all complaints. It should be floor specific, room specific quarantine, not 2,000 people for 2 cases. Virus prevention and containment is important and must keep infections and spread at a most possible minimum, but how to approach it is equally important. If anyone gets it right, it must be China, nobody else. Dynamic zero covid is theoretically correct, only the application needs to catch up.
I can only be thankful that I live in an old style community without so many super high-rise buildings.
These high-rise buildings have been criticized for their potential disadvantages. Half a month ago, when I passed a blocked community, I saw many residents beating pots to protest. They shouted, "We're starving."

The second half of this year is a disaster. My city has completely lost the efficient management ability of the first half of this year. Our community administrators have not released the information on how to order food for several weeks, and they are also high priced and random food packages. This kind of bad food package is widely criticized in various regions.
Those were all items that was found to spread SARS 1 hence China's over zealousness with locking up entire buildings and blocks.
Don't expect too much from the ability of civil servants. For various reasons, they prefer this simple and crude method.
The State Council has even had to name and criticize the brutal practices and concealment of information in some cities.
 

Petrolicious88

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I read only 1 out of 20 Americans or 5% have not been infected by COVID according to Harvard researchers.
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I am part of this 5%, and even my wife and I are going maskless after our 2nd booster except in non-ventilated situations like airplane. The virus is never going away, sooner or later, China has to determine an acceptable minimal amount of death that is not US-level, but is not zero either.
Black Friday Thanksgiving shopping no one wore a mask in crowded malls and restaurants. Most have received at least 1-2 shots of the vaccine and have some kind of residual immunity. People living their normal lives for the most part.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Yes.
These people are trying to enter Guangzhou, but because they have a yellow QR code, they have to do a PCR test for 5 days, if all are negative, the code changes to green and they can enter the city.
Guangzhou residents do not go through this process. Anyway, I think this policy is a bit aggressive.

Anyway, it seems that Guangzhou will reduce the frequency of tests around the city, today to enter anywhere you need a PCR in the last 24 hours. As a few posts ago and even in other topics have already said, more changes in the zero covid policy are expected by the Chinese authorities.
 
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