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sequ

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The moment when the front and mid-fuselages were joined together:

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CasualObserver

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I cannot say I am terribly surprised at this since Turkey used to assemble F-16s and the GE F110 engines for them.
But it remains to be seen if they can put this into production.

Why do people think Sweden, a country with 10 million people, can do a project like this and Turkey, a country with 84 million cannot?
Turkey has about the same population as Germany and more industry than a lot of people give it credit for.

But without a native engine this project might be stillborn. Just like other historic projects like the Helwan HA-300. Or feature an older generation engine like IAe 33 Pulqui II and not be competitive.

I do think they are biting on quite a lot though. Not just the airframe but the radar and avionics as well. I doubt they can do this project without buying a lot of components abroad, which they can do because they are in NATO, but I doubt the US military industrial complex will want the extra competition. If this is successful they would lose a lot of sales to Muslim countries.

The tail of it looks an awful lot like a Russian aircraft's such as Su-57. The front looks like a Japanese X-2 Shinshin. Not bad.
Turkey did not just assemble but also produced 80% of the F-16s in house. And that was in the 90s. Since then, industrial participation in programs like the F-35 has had an immense contribution to the point where we are today. We are talking about a company that was the only foreign supplier of the centre fuselage. And since then they invested in not just a lot of modern facilities but also in thousands of engineers.

I mean the MMU programme shaped TAI in an unprecedented way. The company went from a mid tier player in the aerospace sector with 5000 employees to a frontier with more than 13000 employees (and it's still increasing).

The MMU Campus is unrivaled in the way that no aerospace infrastructure rose up so quickly in such a small concentration of area.


I get why to foreigners this programme seemed impossible. But to us close watchers, even in a realistic manner, we were sure about its possibility no matter the difficulty.


It's great to see the fruits of such a dedication, to witness the actual development of a whole industry by such a huge programme.
 

sequ

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ASELSAN modernized 50 armored personnel carriers belonging to Qatar.

ASELSAN modernized 50 Renault VAB Armored Personnel Carriers belonging to Qatar. The modernized vehicles were delivered before the World Cup held in Qatar. The development was shared at the Land Systems Seminar, which was held for the fifth time this year. Within the scope of the modernization project, the SARP Remote Controlled Weapon System was integrated into the vehicles. In addition, Close Range Surveillance System, Driver Vision System, V/UHF Radio and Internal Communication System were integrated into the vehicles.

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sequ

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Interesting statements by Kotil (turn the subs on):

I'm going to post this video again for those who are confused about the methodology employed by TAI with regards to the development of the MMU.

Turn on the subtitles for English translation.
 

Michaelsinodef

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I'm still speechless! :D

Congrats to TAI and all others involved and indeed one of the biggest surprises for me. Even more, I have to admit all the more that I was wrong in my assessment of the program, :( I did not expect this progress and even more not now already!
Eh I think it's still a bit too pass judgement.

There's still lots of stuff needing to be done/made, with engines and radars being the 2 biggest challenges.

At the end of the day, I do think it can end up flying some day, but this might be after delays due to say needing to change how it gets its engine or with 'lower specs' than initially planned/advised.

I would be truly shocked if everything does go perfectly to plan with no delays or downgrades in spec though.
 

ougoah

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can you explain this .. what are the problems

thank you

Some Su-57 engine fans are exposed from some frontal angles. Other fighters use serpentine intakes. Take a look at J-10B/C or J-20 from any angle, all you see when you look into the intakes are the curvatures of the serpentine intake.

It was suggested long ago that Su-57 will employ some blockers and other less well known (in the public domain) methods to negate this.
 

ougoah

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This is extraordinarily impressive btw. Congrats to Turkey. Even though this is a start, it is an impressive one and the timeline they suggested. Kudos to the engineers and program managers they've done a China pace development with less resources!

And yeah that skin looks second to none. All this for a prototype level too. Factory also looks second to none. Nice new facilities TAI built for this program. Went from 0 to 100 and delivered.

Also looks like the Turks know a few things about marketing. Honestly seems like some very switched on people are managing everything there.
 
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