New J-10 thread II

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Sorry if this has been discussed before but I recently searched "J-10c" on google and I found some photos I had never seen before. I am not sure if these are real, and they probably aren't. However, if you look at the exaust nozzel it is the same shape as the early J-10 prototypes that used the WS-10 engine. If this is a real craft it's reasonable to assume that it uses the WS-10a. I translated the Chinese site in google and the description of the plane is similar to what Jane's Defence called the "Super-10."

According the the Chinese website, the J-10c has several improvements:
-Better radar able the engage 6 target simultaneously
-Improved HUD
-Laser pod for ground attack
-Redesigned intake removing the struts (presumably for better efficiency and lower RCS).
-Large humped fuel tanks on the side (much like those installed on the F-16E) for increased range.
-Radar absorbant paint and "infrared suppression" technologies.

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Photo:
[qimg]http://bbs.news.sina.com.cn/forum/show_pic.php?u=http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/5022d23a01054ben[/qimg]

Also, strategy page had a report saying "China is developing a fighter-bomber version of its F-16 clone, the J10. This new aircraft, a two seater, is the J10C. It was originally believed to be a naval version, but instead, it's an aircraft optimized for ground attack."

That also supports the possibility that it could be a real photo, or at least a real concept/model.
there's a report that naval version of J-10 will designated as J-10H (hong).among the candidate was ground attack version of L-15 attack /trainer,but due to her limited range and bomb load,the aircraft was not accepted,other aircraft on the list that was rejected was JH-7.
 

mehdi

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lol another fan art nearly got me this time, but well we have to be more patient. Who knows how the new upgraded J-10 would look like.
 

Semi-Lobster

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That's strange. I posted that days ago and never saw it pop up in the forum. I tried again a few days later. Sorry for posting twice.

Yes I have heard that there would be a J-10 naval variant, but as it goes, these things are always vague in details.

Hmmm... that is strange. Well anyway, the L-15 would make a poor replacement for any sort of ground attack aircraft, its simple far too small and light (especiallythe fueslage) to be able to deliver a payload like the JH-7, Q-5 or even the J-11. Its design could form the basis of such an arcraft but other than possible light attack support roles, I don't think we will be seeing the little L-15 going on SEAD missions anytime soon.

As for the naval J-10 variant, thats always a possibility but I was under the impression that twin engine aircraft were favoured far more highly than single engine aircraft for carrier operations, and with the Su-33 talk going around, it seems to me that the J-11B or some variant thereof would most likely be usedfor carrier operations
 

crobato

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but I was under the impression that twin engine aircraft were favoured far more highly than single engine aircraft for carrier operations,

An argument made up by the USN leadership so the US Congress don't force F-16s on them for carrier use. Despite that the USN have been using single engined A-4 Skyhawks and A-8 Corsairs. F-8 Crusaders were in use by the French carriers for thirty years. The British Harrier is single engined too. Lets not forget, the carrier JSF is also single engined.

This argument, or I should say, excuse, need not apply to the PLAN.
 

challenge

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美军方最近报料:中国成飞已研制出j10的最新改进型——j10c战机。而这种战斗机的研制成功也早在美军方的意料之中,因为j10战机从其正式被官方公开其,已列装了一线部队数十架之多。
J10c装备有更为先进的雷达设备,其雷达拥有较j10雷达更大的探测距离并具有同时跟踪12个目标,并打击其中威胁最大的6个目标的能力。其驾驶舱设置了更先进的国产衍射平显。此外j10c除了装备有较为先进的pl12中矩空空导弹外还将装备更为先进的pl-13远程空空导弹,而这种导弹具有反预警机的能力。加装了激光制导吊舱的j10c,还能发射多种激光制导炸弹,进一步提高了战机的对地精确打击能力。
J10c与j10在外观上具有较大区别,其采用了更为成熟的进气道设计,原来因为加装更大推力发动机而额外设计的六骨加强筋将不复存在,取而代之的是更为流线型的设计。除了进气道以外,j10c与j10外观上的最大区别就在于,j10c也如同f16e一样加装了类似“驼背隼”的两个特大号副油箱。对此美方并不惊讶,美方认为j10战机的设计成功就在于其完全消化吸收了f16战机的优点,所以j10c采用与f16e类似设计来加大航程的做法并不意外。j10战机的综合性能已超过了f16a/b,而j10c战机的性能则要超过美国现役主力战机之一的f16的所有型号。但美方也认为,由于j10战机的发动机尚要依靠俄方,所以j10c也只能采用俄方的al-31fn的最新改进型发动机。
美方进一步指出,j10c的研制成功对中国的意义不只在于j10c战机本身,而更在于其作为中国第四代战机验证机的重要使命!据悉,j10c采用隐身涂料、红外抑制等很多的隐身技术,降低红外辐射和雷达反射量,而美军成功研制出第四代战机f35之前,也是首先在f16e战机上进行了隐身设计的验证工作,且俄罗斯推出的s-37金雕战机也是担任了同样的任务。因此j10c的研制成功标志着中国真正的第四代战机jxx也即将起飞!
 

Semi-Lobster

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An argument made up by the USN leadership so the US Congress don't force F-16s on them for carrier use. Despite that the USN have been using single engined A-4 Skyhawks and A-8 Corsairs. F-8 Crusaders were in use by the French carriers for thirty years. The British Harrier is single engined too. Lets not forget, the carrier JSF is also single engined.

This argument, or I should say, excuse, need not apply to the PLAN.

Well I'm not saying there isn't a chance a single engine aircraft will be chosen. I'm just saying a recent 'trend' is for twin engine carrierborn fighter aircraft with an emphasis on range the belief amogst some that twin engine aircraft are 'safer', a single engine aircraft can still be viable thjough, it really depends on good of a job the boys at Chengdu can do!
 

adeptitus

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美军方最近报料:中国成飞已研制出j10的最新改进型——j10c战机。而这种战斗机的研制成功也早在美军方的意料之中,因为j10战机从其正式被官方公开其,已列装了一线部队数十架之多。

I've read some of the articles on armsky and thought they were pretty speculative. So I probably wouldn't take the J-10C and PL-13 AAM report too seriously.
 

escobar

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put J-10 navalized on varyag is interesting insofar as they are used much more in fighting air and not fighting on the ground
that you think crobato??
 
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