The War in the Ukraine

FairAndUnbiased

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Alexander had a video just now on that topic. Some people are speculating that the Russians who left back in August may have been due to their contract expiring and they refused to extend it by another 6 months. Hardly a surprise. Who wants to stay longer then necessary. He also mentioned that apparently, the one who warned of this was the guy who got fired after Kadyrov public statement about his effectiveness.
Russia allowing volunteers to sign up for just 6 months was a huge mistake considering the intensity of this war. They needed at minimum 2 years for initial signup, 1 year for short term contractors, probably better if it's a 4 year commitment the way US has.
 

Anlsvrthng

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This presumes a sufficiently high KDR (kill-death ratio) is enough to win the war without needing to call up low-quality conscripts. The reality is Putin is willing to call low-quality conscripts via partial mobilization at the expense of his KDR ratio. Putin does not want to win via attritional warfare, he wants a quick(er) victory and fast(er) conquest of 4 territories, even if it means ruining his KDR ratio. It's an acceptable trade-off to lose excess lives to gain more territory in shorter amount of time.
Original target of Russia was to implement Minsk, secon one to make a peace with Ukraine/USA on Russia term, with partial independence of L/D, third one is to punish Ukraine with losses and hte EU with lack of gas.

We have no clue what is the target of the fourth phase.

One thing is suer: they need more soldier.
 

reservior dogs

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I think that once Russia determined that this is going to be a war of attrition, and especially after they took Lysychansk, they have decided to slow down the tempo of the war. This is reflected on how slowly they made any progress. Slowing down the tempo of the war has the following benefits,

1. your burn rate goes down. If the rest of the frontlines are just static and you focus your energy in a few areas, the amount of cannons and ammo goes down. There were signs that they were running low in cannon shells.

2. This further increases the kill/dead ratio. If you are willing to take a long time and just bombard the hell out of the the enemy positions, the other side suffers all the casualties and when you move into the ruins, there will be very little resistance so your casualties are quite low. I would not be surprised if there is a 10/1 kill/dead ratio in this type of warfare.

3. This reduce the equipment usage since you are spending most of your time dug in and only move when there is very little resistance.

The longer the war, the worse the economic situation for Ukraine and Western Europe. This is the key. Putin is hoping that the economic situation will deteriorate to a point that Western Europe will vote out their pro-war government and will cease support for Ukraine. If support also slows as the senate change hands in the U.S., that will be a bonus.

The counter-offensive disrupted this plan. If anything, the kill/dead ratio is worse for Russia for the counter-offensive because the Ukrainians finally got a chance to engage the Russian side in a close combat. While it is quite bad at 5:1, it is still much better than sitting around getting killed by cannons which you have no answer to. However, the huge equipment loss from this counter-offensive will be irreplaceable. The burn rate for Ukraine is even much less sustainable. If they are able to sustain this offensive for a few months while the Russians continue to retreat, they might get somewhere and take land that is more strategic. For example, if they pushed the Russians to the East of the Dnipro River by taking all of Kherson, then they can negotiate some sort of truce since it will be very hard for the Russians to cross the Dnipro river again. Somehow I highly doubt the Russians will allow this to happen. Taking a city the size of Kherson is quite difficult, especially you just have a few tanks and a bunch of civilian vehicles.

Once the Ukrainians burn through their stash of equipment, they will leave themselves dangerously exposed to a Russian offensive to come later.

Also I think the Russians will add more troops to make the lines less vulnerable. With enough troops and equipment, the Ukrainians can still breach it at the weak points, but the cost will be significantly higher. When the Russians take new territories later, they will spend more time fortifying a defensive line that is easier to hold to reduce the opportunity for the Ukrainian side. The Russians want to go back to the slow grinding type of warfare which have the above advantages for them.

It is a long war. Buckle your seatbelts. much more is still to come.
 

Zichan

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I heard that in the Russian army, if you are a volunteer you can break your contract at any time and leave if there is no state of war. Is this true? It would explain why the Russians have been so short on men.
Not anymore. The law has been recently amended. The people who signed up for limited term contracts hoping they would make a quick buck are now forced to stay indefinitely.
 

sndef888

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What are your predictions on the situation?

I think Putin's goal is now just full control over donbass, and maintaining current borders in kherson and zaporizhzhia. Overthrowing kiev government now out of the question.

The partial mobilisation I think will be able to give them that, though at quite high cost.
 

FriedButter

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What are your predictions on the situation?

I think Putin's goal is now just full control over donbass, and maintaining current borders in kherson and zaporizhzhia. Overthrowing kiev government now out of the question.

The partial mobilisation I think will be able to give them that, though at quite high cost.

That ultimately depends on Zelensky. Not Putin. For the scenario you are saying.
 

Sheleah

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Someone assured us that Russia had its best units and largest reserves in Kherson, and that Kharkov would not happen... However, they abandon positions due to lack of reinforcements... "Good will" is present, and army troops Russian, they hand over "Russian territory" for not having logistics to contain the Ukrainian offensive that had been announced and prepared for at least 4 months... Operational barbarity!!!



And it is not the only place from which they withdraw, on other fronts the situation of the Russian troops does not have better luck..

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Phead128

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The fact that Putin called up a partial mobilization should conclusively dismiss the myth of "attritional warfare/creeping artillery" as an original strategy. The slow progress in Donbass is a reflection of a lack of manpower and undermanned force, so in absence of large-scale offensive operations, the tactic of "creeping artillery/attritional warfare" was borne out of necessity of the situation.

Also, as @TongHua (Yommie 2.0) mentioned, attritional warfare artillery really works if you target main critical infrastructure, including powerplants, bridges, airports. If you allow your enemies to keep the lights on and get re-supplied by the NATO via Western Ukraine by rail, bridge, airplane, is it really an attritional warfare?

If Putin originally wanted to do attritional warfare, then it wouldn't have been necessary to mobilize 300K of low-quality conscripts, which will only destroy your KDR ratio against Ukraine and risk losing many men without meaningful combat experience/training.
 

MortyandRick

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I think that once Russia determined that this is going to be a war of attrition, and especially after they took Lysychansk, they have decided to slow down the tempo of the war. This is reflected on how slowly they made any progress. Slowing down the tempo of the war has the following benefits,

1. your burn rate goes down. If the rest of the frontlines are just static and you focus your energy in a few areas, the amount of cannons and ammo goes down. There were signs that they were running low in cannon shells.

2. This further increases the kill/dead ratio. If you are willing to take a long time and just bombard the hell out of the the enemy positions, the other side suffers all the casualties and when you move into the ruins, there will be very little resistance so your casualties are quite low. I would not be surprised if there is a 10/1 kill/dead ratio in this type of warfare.

3. This reduce the equipment usage since you are spending most of your time dug in and only move when there is very little resistance.

The longer the war, the worse the economic situation for Ukraine and Western Europe. This is the key. Putin is hoping that the economic situation will deteriorate to a point that Western Europe will vote out their pro-war government and will cease support for Ukraine. If support also slows as the senate change hands in the U.S., that will be a bonus.

The counter-offensive disrupted this plan. If anything, the kill/dead ratio is worse for Russia for the counter-offensive because the Ukrainians finally got a chance to engage the Russian side in a close combat. While it is quite bad at 5:1, it is still much better than sitting around getting killed by cannons which you have no answer to. However, the huge equipment loss from this counter-offensive will be irreplaceable. The burn rate for Ukraine is even much less sustainable. If they are able to sustain this offensive for a few months while the Russians continue to retreat, they might get somewhere and take land that is more strategic. For example, if they pushed the Russians to the East of the Dnipro River by taking all of Kherson, then they can negotiate some sort of truce since it will be very hard for the Russians to cross the Dnipro river again. Somehow I highly doubt the Russians will allow this to happen. Taking a city the size of Kherson is quite difficult, especially you just have a few tanks and a bunch of civilian vehicles.

Once the Ukrainians burn through their stash of equipment, they will leave themselves dangerously exposed to a Russian offensive to come later.

Also I think the Russians will add more troops to make the lines less vulnerable. With enough troops and equipment, the Ukrainians can still breach it at the weak points, but the cost will be significantly higher. When the Russians take new territories later, they will spend more time fortifying a defensive line that is easier to hold to reduce the opportunity for the Ukrainian side. The Russians want to go back to the slow grinding type of warfare which have the above advantages for them.

It is a long war. Buckle your seatbelts. much more is still to come.
I was one who really though Russia had control of the battlefield but they were treating the SMO like fighting Ukraine with a bit of NATO help. Now is seems with the counter attack, NATO is committed much more than Russia had anticipated. NATO seems to have better intelligence and front line information. According to rybar, it seems they were able to cut off Russian communications as well. This is now a big deal.

Unless something drastically changes I don't see Russia being able to hold off all of NATO. I hope china is watching closely and analyzing NATO electronic warfare carefully. Seems like their electronic warfare really caught Russians off guard.
 

Atomicfrog

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lol i have been asking the same question since the first month of the war, why not take out the bridges over the dnieper?

it seems now that russia actually cant destroy those bridges, ukraine with all of its long range firepower could not destroy the antonov bridge. but i still think russia could damage the rail bridges enough to disrupt ukraine's logistics.
These bridges are quite strong, old soviet design ?
3 things that I think people can agree on based on observations of both Russia and Ukraine:

1. Drones, including strike, recon and loitering munitions, are all kings.

2. Infantry numbers still matter.

3. Strategic, not just tactical, intel and recon are vital
We can add a number 4: SEAD is an essential parts of airforce capacity, SEAD need to be in quality and number. Russian lacks both.
 
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