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This is regarding the opening topic in this video on merit based education.


I thought they'd rather have their children not prioritize just academics in school like Asian children are taught to value... Remember Tiger Mom and how Americans thought it was a foreign concept and they didn't want their children subjected to that? Now they're in fear of educated Chinese children being a threat to the Western world order. You think Americans are going to better themselves so they can out compete China? No, their MO is to cut Chinese off at the knees. The only way they can compete is by pushing the competition down. Look at semiconductors.

Now you can see why it's so important for them to have others embrace Western values because then they can dictate what's more important in life. It has nothing to do with what's best because as they admit the Chinese education system beats theirs and they still want Chinese and everyone else to embrace their values because it's all about control and making sure they stay superior by making sure you values things that don't threaten that superiority. I remember when I was in high school a black student told me I belonged to an inferior race because Asians didn't have any popular professional musicians and athletes... key word "popular". Meaning in order to be successful in life, you needed people to like you. Sound familiar? It's the same pitch they use to say China doesn't have any soft power. And how does China get soft power according to them? Your culture has to have or do something they like. I don't see where you get power from that. They have all the power because they get to decide your fate to like or not what your culture has to offer. Does the act of scoring the most touchdowns in a season actually translate to making millions of dollars? No it's getting people to like what you do that gets the athlete millions of dollars. But if they don't like you for any reason, you won't be making that kind of money. Or look at it from another end. Chinese invented printing. If it weren't for China, Westerners would not have been educated en masse and they wouldn't be the world power they are today. Do Westerners like China for that? Nope. They hate Chinese and gifting them with printing does not touch them one bit. The act doesn't do anything. It's all about how only they can like you or not and they want to see you bending over backward through life in order to get them to like you. Does that sound like any kind of power to you?

That's what it means when they accuse China of undermining the Western world order. The Chinese should be valuing careers that seek to get Westerners to like them like in entertainment because that's where the audience ultimately gets to decide your fate not because you're good at doing something of value. You don't need an audience to like you in order to be successful at putting together a nuclear bomb.

When I was a kid, whites would complain about Chinese having their own stores selling products that Chinese wanted? If they were true Americans they would be buying American products to make American food making money for white people from their stores. They complain about how Asians are taking their jobs away yet when Asians open up Asian stores they employ their own not taking away jobs from Americans and yet they still complain. They want the money you earn to go to them and not yourself. They're not going to say it out loud but what they want is a slave. The only difference from the slave that that gets them into trouble from the one they want today is they want you to volunteer to be their slave because then they won't get into trouble. It's like the defense I hear today to make having slaves all right to have back then. They say there was nothing wrong because it was their own people who sold them to the West as slaves. Oh really? That means they don't believe in individual human rights. You know the thing they use as an excuse to bomb other countries for violating? Just imagine all the self-hating self-loathing Asians that suck up to the West... All it takes is one of them to say to the West you can have all these other Asians as slaves and that makes it okay to have Asians as slaves. That's how they defend slavery. You actually think they believe in human rights when they don't see that for themselves? No wonder they give Gordan Chang the right speak for all Chinese. They think they just have to get one Asian to be okay with what Westerners believe and that makes it right.
Well, the extreme ideas presented in for example books like Tiger Mom are uniquely American. You don't find it in Asia, you could maybe say it is an American idea of what succesful Asian parenting would be like, much like how orange chicken is an American idea of what Asian food is like.

What makes the biggest difference when it comes to educating children is not valuing academics or not, it is about having a safe home situation where children are allowed to explore their interests.

Top tier American homes, I.e. The ones that are the source of their inflated gdp/capita, own their own housing, have servants, inherited old money etc. They push their kids really hard so they can become good inheritors. In China, to get a high level education you mostly just have to prepare well for a general university exam which you can retake as many times you want. While America doesn't just demand high scores, but even seemingly unrelated "competencies" such as sports, parent connections and music. As far as I know, US is the only country with that much emphasis on it. So you can make a pretty strong argument that US elites have a stronger drive than Chinese elites.

But, most kids are not the top 3% wealth families. And when you look at Chinese and American households there, it is a huge difference. Compare divorce rates, poverty rates, people living paycheck to paycheck, parents with drug abuse, criminality etc. Most American kids can't catch up to Chinese ones not because they don't dream as big due to ideological reasons, but because they literally can't dream big when survival, taking care of siblings, bad home situation and so on force them to devote their energy into day to day living rather than their personal goals.

It is not a coincidence that the only western country on par with China when it comes to education is Finland, an unassuming country with nothing special about it, but one whose domestic policies emphazise solidarity.

People from capitalist societies that believe in "great men" theory think that the only way to get more educated kids is pushing them to their indivudal limit. Americans are pushing their kids until a ton of them develop mental health issues, then they see China sprinting ahead and assume China is pushing them even more. But if you think about it, 90% of scientists aren't from rich backgrounds and they didn't have access to extracurriculars. Theyre just from normal families and were able to develop their interests because they had a free environment to do so in.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Well, the extreme ideas presented in for example books like Tiger Mom are uniquely American. You don't find it in Asia, you could maybe say it is an American idea of what succesful Asian parenting would be like, much like how orange chicken is an American idea of what Asian food is like.

What makes the biggest difference when it comes to educating children is not valuing academics or not, it is about having a safe home situation where children are allowed to explore their interests.

Top tier American homes, I.e. The ones that are the source of their inflated gdp/capita, own their own housing, have servants, inherited old money etc. They push their kids really hard so they can become good inheritors. In China, to get a high level education you mostly just have to prepare well for a general university exam which you can retake as many times you want. While America doesn't just demand high scores, but even seemingly unrelated "competencies" such as sports, parent connections and music. As far as I know, US is the only country with that much emphasis on it. So you can make a pretty strong argument that US elites have a stronger drive than Chinese elites.

But, most kids are not the top 3% wealth families. And when you look at Chinese and American households there, it is a huge difference. Compare divorce rates, poverty rates, people living paycheck to paycheck, parents with drug abuse, criminality etc. Most American kids can't catch up to Chinese ones not because they don't dream as big due to ideological reasons, but because they literally can't dream big when survival, taking care of siblings, bad home situation and so on force them to devote their energy into day to day living rather than their personal goals.

It is not a coincidence that the only western country on par with China when it comes to education is Finland, an unassuming country with nothing special about it, but one whose domestic policies emphazise solidarity.

People from capitalist societies that believe in "great men" theory think that the only way to get more educated kids is pushing them to their indivudal limit. Americans are pushing their kids until a ton of them develop mental health issues, then they see China sprinting ahead and assume China is pushing them even more. But if you think about it, 90% of scientists aren't from rich backgrounds and they didn't have access to extracurriculars. Theyre just from normal families and were able to develop their interests because they had a free environment to do so in.
Yes the author went to China to sell her book and they thought it was a foreign concept but since it was "successful" they were intrigued by it.
 

ficker22

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Bro will Germany disintegrate as it's a federation of different state?

Unlikely, we dont have much localism here anymore, since the prussians and hitler did a good job unifying all germans under one flag.

Notable exceptions are some bavarians and the new (ex-gdr) states, where some people get pissed (understandably) at the current federal government.
 

ansy1968

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Unlikely, we dont have much localism here anymore, since the prussians and hitler did a good job unifying all germans under one flag.

Notable exceptions are some bavarians and the new (ex-gdr) states, where some people get pissed (understandably) at the current federal government.
Thanks brother, so the pacification of both Axis power had been successful, the Americans are master colonizer better than the Chinese cultural assimilation.
 

Overbom

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US has many militrary base in Germany.
Some of Germans believe they are necessary because they promotes the local economy development.
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Germany is more of an occupied country. Similar to Japan.

Kicking them out peacefully could be the greatest achievement for a German Chancellor. Merkel had the chance to do it with Trump but unfortunately she didnt grasp that rare opportunity
 

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