JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[Deino]

I have a silly question, if mods don't like it, please go ahead and delete it.

My question:
Do you guys think it is worthwhile for the Chinese aviation industry (perhaps working together with Pakistan) to develop a twin engine version of the JF-17, with two RD-93/WS-13E.

My thinking would be that this would make this new twin engine JF-17 a potential CATOBAR naval fighter, which shares many of the same subsystem with the J-35 (with future potential to upgrade to WS-19), and acts as a non-stealthy version of J-35. This replaces the J-15, gives the carrier group a huge improvement and saving operational cost and ease of logistics.

If twin-engine JF-17 can catch up to J-15 in terms of the most desired capability that the PLAN sorts, would it not be a good idea to go with that?

If this question is not appropriate here, please inform me right away.

No longer ... this may have been an option several years ago, but no longer now.

 

[phrozenflame]

I have a silly question, if mods don't like it, please go ahead and delete it.

My question:
Do you guys think it is worthwhile for the Chinese aviation industry (perhaps working together with Pakistan) to develop a twin engine version of the JF-17, with two RD-93/WS-13E.

My thinking would be that this would make this new twin engine JF-17 a potential CATOBAR naval fighter, which shares many of the same subsystem with the J-35 (with future potential to upgrade to WS-19), and acts as a non-stealthy version of J-35. This replaces the J-15, gives the carrier group a huge improvement and saving operational cost and ease of logistics.

If twin-engine JF-17 can catch up to J-15 in terms of the most desired capability that the PLAN sorts, would it not be a good idea to go with that?

If this question is not appropriate here, please inform me right away.

With the potential number of F-35s that could be in order of the battle, I think it's J-35s and J-20s all the way. If they need low-cost alternates, Drones is where it is going to be at. JF-17 is a credible counter-punch to Indian airforce, China however faces US.

 

[by78]

Single seater and twin seater.

 

[Interstellar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1570096751557632000

 

[siegecrossbow]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1570096751557632000

I don’t understand Spanish. What does it say?

P.S. NVMD I found a summary of the documents:

The Government of Argentina has officially announced requirements of its next supersonic fighter procurement program, as well as the fighters under consideration.

These include the PAC JF-17C Thunder Block III, the Lockheed Martin F-16, the Mikoyan MiG-35 and the HAL Tejas.

An official questionnaire about the $664 million allocated for buying 12 new JF-17Cs was answered by Argentinian defence officials which stated that the offer includes 12 JF-17Cs as well as transport, spare parts, simulators, facility and infrastructure modifications, system maintenance equipment (including electronics and composite materials), instruction, spare engines, weapons and ammunition.
Argentinian officials also said some transfer of technology could also be included in the deal for additional funds, for manufacturing some components of the JF-17 in Argentina.
The officials also released the requirements of the FAA for its new fighter, which includes multirole capability, supersonic flight, in-flight refuelling capacity compatible with the refueling aircraft possessed by the FAA, AESA radar, tactical data link, electronic self-defense capability, logistical projection, no components of British origin and availability (offer) for the use of weapons.
The officials further said that the JF-17 with a WS-13E engine, satisfies all these requirements.
The Argentinian government also inquired about the cost per hour of each aircraft under consideration, which the FAA quoted as:
$7,600/hr for the JF-17, for the F-16 it’s 10,000/hr, for the Tejas it’s $12,000/hr and $18,000 for the MiG-35.
The official report further states that the weapons system will comprise of “short and medium-range Chinese-origin missiles for integral aerospace defense”, meaning the PL-10E and the PL-12 missile.
The report further states that the fighter does not have any British-origin components, including the ejection seats.
Lastly, the report states that 90% of Chinese-built JF-17 components are interchangeable with Pakistan-built JF-17s, and there are no “restrictions on purchases from Pakistan as an alternative supplier.”
The report confirms and strengthens the position regarding the JF-17 Block III, which continues to be considered a favorite among the four aforementioned candidates.

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[Overbom]

"Clarification" are the journalist's notes

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Question 8: Could you inform what are the Engines, origin and models? What is the relationship of independence of supplies produced in countries in conflict or that could deny their delivery due to economic or military embargoes.

Answer: The engines are the WS-13 of Chinese origin and do not have any type of restriction.


Question 10: Seats. Origin and model. Are they free of embargo in all their components?

Answer: The seats are of Chinese origin without any restrictions.

Clarification: The question is in clear reference to the Martin-Baker PK16LE ejection system currently equipping the Pakistani JF-17 Thunder fleet. The option of a Chinese model (HTY-5 or HTY7A) makes it possible to avoid any consideration regarding the British veto.

 

[KampfAlwin]

I'm curious to know the opinions of Argentinian mil watchers between the Tejas and JF-17. Do they have a preference?

 

[siegecrossbow]

I'm curious to know the opinions of Argentinian mil watchers between the Tejas and JF-17. Do they have a preference?

I think most still want the F-16.

 

[ougoah]

I think most still want the F-16.

That's 2x the price and another weight class of fighter compared to JF-17 and Tejas.

Tejas is already about 2x the price of a block 2 JF-17. A block 3 JF-17 would be head and shoulders better than a Mk1 Tejas (which is the only one that is actually in service and available with Mk.1A only planned for service in 2023 and onwards so comparable to JF-17 B3 in modernity if nothing else).

A modern brand new F-16V is over three times the cost of a JF-17. You can basically buy, train up, and arm two JF-17 block 3 for the price of just one F-16V with no weapons and an untrained pilot. I very much doubt 10 export version, AIM-120C armed F-16V is superior to 25 or so JF-17 block 3 with PL-15E and PL-10E.

 

[Abominable]

That's 2x the price and another weight class of fighter compared to JF-17 and Tejas.

Tejas is already about 2x the price of a block 2 JF-17. A block 3 JF-17 would be head and shoulders better than a Mk1 Tejas (which is the only one that is actually in service and available with Mk.1A only planned for service in 2023 and onwards so comparable to JF-17 B3 in modernity if nothing else).

A modern brand new F-16V is over three times the cost of a JF-17. You can basically buy, train up, and arm two JF-17 block 3 for the price of just one F-16V with no weapons and an untrained pilot. I very much doubt 10 export version, AIM-120C armed F-16V is superior to 25 or so JF-17 block 3 with PL-15E and PL-10E.

If we use the recent Bulgaria deal as a comparison, the F-16s are 5 times more expensive per plane. It really is a no brainer.

Interesting that they don't mention anti-ship missiles.