Unmanned Combat Ground Vehicle

tankphobia

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I guess this is not super relevant to military UGVs, but it does illustrate that Recoil control is going to be a major issue for walking drones as the motors are by nature not resistant to shock loads so accuracy would go to poop after first shot (it's at ~12 minutes). Note that this is a drone I've previously posted about, a Chinese Unitree Go1, which you can grab for ~780 AUD or ~550 USD right now... Lidar free of course.
 

by78

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I guess this is not super relevant to military UGVs, but it does illustrate that Recoil control is going to be a major issue for walking drones as the motors are by nature not resistant to shock loads so accuracy would go to poop after first shot (it's at ~12 minutes). Note that this is a drone I've previously posted about, a Chinese Unitree Go1, which you can grab for ~780 AUD or ~550 USD right now... Lidar free of course.

In terms of recoil mitigation, that's about the worst way you can mount a firearm on that robot dog. They need to get the barrel and the action as close to the body of the robot as possible, which would mean mounting the gun upside down – or less preferably, on its side – in order to get as close to the robot's center of gravity as possible.
 

Aniah

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In terms of recoil mitigation, that's about the worst way you can mount a firearm on that robot dog. They need to get the barrel and the action as close to the body of the robot as possible, which would mean mounting the gun upside down – or less preferably, on its side – in order to get as close to the robot's center of gravity as possible.
I don't think the dog has enough weight or traction for this kind of caliber anyways. Best to get a bigger dog. Haven't seen the 5.8 being shot from one but I got a feeling a single burst will probably still knock it to the sides.
 

tankphobia

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In terms of recoil mitigation, that's about the worst way you can mount a firearm on that robot dog. They need to get the barrel and the action as close to the body of the robot as possible, which would mean mounting the gun upside down – or less preferably, on its side – in order to get as close to the robot's center of gravity as possible.
Yeah definitely agreed that's not the best implementation, it's even unreasonable to put a rifle on a robot dog due to their size, a pistol sized weapon would be a lot easier to integrate then a rifle, both recoil and mechanism-wise. Alternatively you can mount a flamethrower on it if you want to use it to clear buildings (and terrorise your enemy).
 

dingyibvs

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Yeah definitely agreed that's not the best implementation, it's even unreasonable to put a rifle on a robot dog due to their size, a pistol sized weapon would be a lot easier to integrate then a rifle, both recoil and mechanism-wise. Alternatively you can mount a flamethrower on it if you want to use it to clear buildings (and terrorise your enemy).
My gosh would that be terrifying. Imagine hundreds of flame spewing robot dogs charging at you. As long as they get close, even if you destroy them they'll still explode and engulf you in a ball of flame.
 

Fedupwithlies

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So the Russians just mounted a rocket launcher on the Chinese unitree drone, put some fabric over it and called it Russian made!
Are they actually claiming the robot is Russian made, or are they showing off their RPG mount and control as a proof of concept with the drone dog being what they could get for a prototype?

Because exaggeration is a very common western propaganda method and I definitely don't the great content posters on this forum to be mistaken in what they post.
 

tankphobia

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Are they actually claiming the robot is Russian made, or are they showing off their RPG mount and control as a proof of concept with the drone dog being what they could get for a prototype?

Because exaggeration is a very common western propaganda method and I definitely don't the great content posters on this forum to be mistaken in what they post.
Well if you read through the article there is a link to a telegram interview with the "inventor", who claims this system "m-81" is capable of recon, fire support and search and rescue. Why would they rename the system if it's just a platform to mount systems on?

Also this is a Russian arms expo, it would be very unlikely for them to showcase non-russian systems. The guns and rockets part is not the hard part of the whole system, the robot dog itself is. All that is from the Russian side is just a rocket and a camera, not exactly high tech robotics.
 

Fedupwithlies

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Well if you read through the article there is a link to a telegram interview with the "inventor", who claims this system "m-81" is capable of recon, fire support and search and rescue. Why would they rename the system if it's just a platform to mount systems on?

Also this is a Russian arms expo, it would be very unlikely for them to showcase non-russian systems. The guns and rockets part is not the hard part of the whole system, the robot dog itself is. All that is from the Russian side is just a rocket and a camera, not exactly high tech robotics.
Canada's fighter jets are called CF-118. Since they've renamed the plane, are you claiming that Canada is claiming that they built the CF-118?

If you ask Canadian "designers" who have done work on the CF-118, they will tell you that the CF-118 (and they are... very... insistent on the terminology) is a premier fighter-bomber platform capable of air-to-air, air-to-ground, recon and everything a modern airforce demands of it.

They Canadian designers you're talking to were probably responsible for the false canopy... which is literally paint.
Are you saying though, since they're talking about the entire platform, that they claim to have designed the CF-118?

Your article's justification for the Russian claims are very, very thin. In fact, so thin as to be exactly the sort of drivel that we've come to expect from The Drive/The Warzone.

There is nothing to suggest the Russians have claimed they created the robotic dog, just that it is convenient, useful, and they have created a prototype that can do war actions.
 

by78

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Canada's fighter jets are called CF-118. Since they've renamed the plane, are you claiming that Canada is claiming that they built the CF-118?

If you ask Canadian "designers" who have done work on the CF-118, they will tell you that the CF-118 (and they are... very... insistent on the terminology) is a premier fighter-bomber platform capable of air-to-air, air-to-ground, recon and everything a modern airforce demands of it.

They Canadian designers you're talking to were probably responsible for the false canopy... which is literally paint.
Are you saying though, since they're talking about the entire platform, that they claim to have designed the CF-118?

Your article's justification for the Russian claims are very, very thin. In fact, so thin as to be exactly the sort of drivel that we've come to expect from The Drive/The Warzone.

There is nothing to suggest the Russians have claimed they created the robotic dog, just that it is convenient, useful, and they have created a prototype that can do war actions.

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for the short article and read for yourself. Assuming the article is accurate, it sounds to me the Russian 'developers' are in fact taking credit for the robot dog itself, which makes me suspect the black cloth wrapped around the robot was there to conceal its true origin.

На "Армии-2022" заметили робота-собаку с гранатометом. Разработчики рассказали РИА Новости, что она там делала.

По их словам, это образец роботизированного комплекса М-81, способного вести прицельную стрельбу и транспортировать оружие, а в гражданских целях его можно использовать в зоне ЧС для разведки, прохода по завалам и доставки медикаментов.

При боевом применении робопес может еще заниматься целеуказанием, патрулированием и охраной.

Почему робот выглядит как собака? Разработчики говорят, что машины выполнены с применением бионики - принципов, структур и механик, характерных для животного мира, поэтому они напоминают собак, особенно в динамике.

At "Army-2022" they noticed a robot dog with a grenade launcher. The developers told RIA Novosti what she was doing there.

According to them, this is a sample of the M-81 robotic system, capable of conducting aimed shooting and transporting weapons, and for civilian purposes it can be used in the emergency zone for reconnaissance, passage through rubble and delivery of medicines.

When used in combat, the robotic dog can also be engaged in target designation, patrolling and security.

Why does the robot look like a dog? The developers say that the machines are made using bionics - the principles, structures and mechanics characteristic of the animal world, so they resemble dogs, especially in dynamics.
 
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