Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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FairAndUnbiased

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US dose not support Taiwan independence because the status quo benefits the US.

Most Taiwanese want to maintain the status quo too. They do not want to be part of China over fear of mainland’s political system.

In another 20 years, most of the old guards that have family ties to Mainland will be dead. Forget about winning Taiwan through economic integration or cultural ties. That’s not the reasons they don’t want unification.

So unification by force is the only card left.
I don't think they care what the mainland political system is. Are you serious it's about the political system LMAO Chiang dynasty ran a military dictatorship police state there for 40 years and they were A OK with it.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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It's people like you that demands instant satisfaction that would doom China. Fortunately, Chinese leadership has longer sights than you and can hold water. They take deliberate actions based on calculations rather than emotion.

China's outreach is weak, there is no doubt about it but that is due more than a centuries of domination by the west, you can't expect things to change overnight.

As other stated already, this will not be the end of the story. The situation on the ground will change permanently.
You're correct with that assessment and my opinion/comment was just venting frustration nothing more, nothing less.
 

Overbom

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We should put the hot takes aside I think. We already had a couple of hours of making jokes, having fun, making memes, debating Jai Hinds and venting our frustrations.

However, I think now we should be at a reasonable level of having peace of mind to analyse the situation without emotional disturbances. If we think about it more, and as I wrote in my previous post, just China doing the minimum expected of normalising exercises in that manner is a huge win for China. Anything more would be a bonus.

In addition, given that Xi has acted calmly so far (ignore the idiotic propaganda stuff) and with the Pelosi stuff still allowed to be discussed so much (gathering consent of the people?) we might actually see something much more than a simple exercise in the following days (no unification war though).

If we analyse it carefully, so far, China hasn't done a single thing wrong (apart from that stupid propaganda stunt). These exercises mean that China has carefully thought about escalation ladders, punishment for the US, punishment for Taiwan, generating valid excuse in case Taiwan fires the first shot or China potentially drastically increasing its military spending.
 

Cyclist

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Nancy Pelosi is one of the richest politicians and has net worth more than US$100 million.


I'm sorry you guys, I don't know if I'm harping on too much about this, but this stock really really bothers me.

I was mentioning to a couple friends earlier that all of this feels incredibly strange, and is absolutely riddled with coincidence (Right after Ba Yi? Really? F-35s grounded? During RIMPAC?). The fact that a stock called $HKD of all things (Note: The company is called
AMTD Digital) randomly soars 16,000% and becomes worth 400 Billion dollars, despite being a random 50 person company that only just got on the stock market on 7/15.. it's just far too much of a coincidence to bear. We all know about Pelosi's insider trading nonsense, which only adds further coincidental fuel to the fire.

Am I just schizo-ing out here, and finding connections where there are none, or do others kinda see what I'm saying about this being incredibly incredibly fishy?
 

dasCKD

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The effect of "PR" on any of these situations is slight. The Pentagon is well aware that Chinese weapons won't fall apart like plastic toys. Even if that's untrue and some idiot like Trump goes to war against China because he believes the bad PR, there's nothing China can do about it except fight. It's too bad, but how you're depicted in enemy propaganda is one thing you can't do anything about - just be ready to put him in the ground if things go hot.
The effect of PR in all of these situations is MASSIVE. Look at the international reaction to this fiasco! Resentment from the Chinese public and mockery from the international. If the Chinese strategy is for the Pentagon to do the diplomacy and propaganda for them, then they've ALREADY lost! If war started today, then the western press will band together and call China monsters and basically the entirety of the western world, India, South Korea, and Japan will be listening to them and agreeing. Do you know why? Because China refused to fight in the propaganda space and allowed it to get to this point!

PR isn't a weapon you can just pull out from a box and hope that it works. PR is reputation, built over decades of consistent competency and effort. No sh*t the effect of PR in these situations is slight. China never bothered building up its reputational credibility! It'll be too late to fasten your seatbelt if you're in the middle of a car crash and it's far too late for China to build up enough of a reputation to stop Pelosi from getting a win once her plane's already in the air. Do you know how this might have been fixed? If China had began building up their reputation DECADES ago! If they had an effective propaganda wing! Do you know how they stop this from happening again? By properly staffing and funding their PR wing NOW!
Suggestions welcome.
Fire everyone in the propaganda wing. Hire in completely new staff and set them to the task of signaling. Make it clear, and reiterate, that the opinings of some tabloid hack from Global Times isn't the opinions and the policies of the Chinese government. Get rid of the Global Times whilst you're at it, or restructure it from ground up. Global Times is boring shlock with no serious viewership and allowing it to exist in its current state is a liability to the Chinese state and reputation.

Establish a channel upon which the Chinese government communicates with the western press and the outside world and make sure to keep staff on-hand to make sure that they can deliver the official party line and stomp out rumors the moment unfavorable rumors start cropping up. The moment what's-his-name talked about how Pelosi's plane would be shot down, have someone on-staff call him an idiot and communicate the official Chinese state line.

Hire on western-trained journalists who are either sympathetic to the Chinese cause or who are willing to tow the line for the luxury pay. Material support for the secessionists will flow in from mostly western countries and so acquiring the ability to 'speak the language' of the western world is paramount. Use these journalists to spread news of Chinese achievements, explain misconceptions, and downplay Chinese missteps and failure. Encourage Chinese students to pursue journalism in western institutes in the same way that they're encouraged to pursue engineering. As an example, the Goldthread youtube channel is a far better ambassador for the Chinese than Global Times has EVER been.

Show favoritism to certain western outlets, lure them in with promises of being able to be the first to question China on the policies and news, and use that position to build a mutally beneficial relationship with outlets that will give those outlets a business advantage of being the 'experts on China'. Hire on influencers for the same reason and have them tow the party line.

That is the MINIMUM China should be doing. This is all very basic policy in any party-based democracy, and so American politicians and therefore the American state apparatuses are incredibly proficient with this. China doesn't have this type of democracy, and so they'll need to learn.

If China wants more advice, they'll need to pay me hourly rates. I take my payments in euros, steam codes, and body pillows depicting the shipgirl Shinano from Azur Lane.
 

escobar

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In addition, given that Xi has acted calmly so far (ignore the idiotic propaganda stuff) and with the Pelosi stuff still allowed to be discussed so much (gathering consent of the people?) we might actually see something much more than a simple exercise in the following days (no unification war though).

If we analyse it carefully, so far, China hasn't done a single thing wrong (apart from that stupid propaganda stunt). These exercises mean that China has carefully thought about escalation ladders, punishment for the US, punishment for Taiwan, generating valid excuse in case Taiwan fires the first shot or China potentially drastically increasing its military spending.
I think you'll be disappointed again. You are expecting something PLA can't do for now
 
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