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Michaelsinodef

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By my calculations this gives BRICS+ a 51.5% share of world population.

Going to be a bit tricky for western nations to use terms like.. “rest of the world”, “global world order”, when the majority of the worlds population is not in agreement with you, your rules or standards.
They just gonna start saying the leaders of BRICS+ countires are dictators and doesn't represent their people/populations.
 

Rettam Stacf

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When the West says they're standing by their principles, it's the way to get their own citizens to accept it's going to cost them more money. Biden in South Korea said countries that hold the same values and principles should not be reliant on countries that don't. It's the nicer way of telling their own citizens everything is going to cost them more money. Business finds the cheapest way to produce things they can. If they were in China, it's because it was the lowest cost to them. The West is trying to taunt everyone else as an alternative to China. And it'll cost them more money. I don't see any of those countries with their own infrastructure in place to be an alternative. I don't see them with the shipping fleets scouring the world for the raw materials needed to make Western products. It's going to take decades for India to be the alternative they think they can be and that's if there's no corruption in their government interfering. The West is not gaining more power and influence in the world. They're losing it meaning any change they want to make will cost them more money and they want to hide all the pain under their principles. All the West's moves aren't about shutting China out. It's all about scaring China into submission. Australia is relegated to standing by their principles because that's all they got.

Citizens of Australia, and for that matter Japan and a few other countries, should ask themselves the question :

If the US will not get militarily involved in China-Taiwan reunification, will Australia still do ?​

The answer can be revealing how firmly they stand on their PRINCIPLE and how hypocritical their politicians are.
 
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Andy1974

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They just gonna start saying the leaders of BRICS+ countires are dictators and doesn't represent their people/populations.
Yeah ofc, but every move they make is countered with such aplomb. BRICS+ contains the worlds largest democracies, I’m talking about true democracies not false, or partial ones, like the US.

While the US can’t even get Korea and Japan to talk, China builds consensus with the majority of the world. We are not finished yet, because we have some big news about the GCC, Latin American and Caribbean countries still to come. At which point it will be the West that will be isolated !

As usual, the US will probably resort to regime change as their main counter, but this doesn’t seem to be effective anymore.
 

Rettam Stacf

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By my calculations this gives BRICS+ a 51.5% share of world population.

Going to be a bit tricky for western nations to use terms like.. “rest of the world”, “global world order”, when the majority of the worlds population is not in agreement with you, your rules or standards.

It is less important to count what percentage of the world population the expanded BRICS+ represents. Rather, we should be looking at the real economic power of the new BRICS+. For example,
  • How much of the world energy resources BRICS+ will control when Saudi Arabia, UAE and Kazakhstan join.
and/or
  • How much the world food resources BRICS+ will control when Argentina and Kazakhstan join.
 

Andy1974

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It is less important to count what percentage of the world population the expanded BRICS+ represents. Rather, we should be looking at the real economic power of the new BRICS+. For example,
  • How much of the world energy resources BRICS+ will control when Saudi Arabia, UAE and Kazakhstan join.
and/or
  • How much the world food resources BRICS+ will control when Argentina and Kazakhstan join.
Yeah, but in a democratic world nothing beats having a majority of people.

You could also say how many maritime choke points will be controlled once Egypt, Saudi, UAE, Indonesia and Thailand join. Or how many maritime trade routes, or SLOCs will need more security patrols, surely the South Atlantic and Gulf of Guinea will see more Chinese presence (there is already a frigate on patrol).

All places that the West does NOT want to be having to concern themselves with right now, kind of like the South Pacific.

American diplomats are sure living in interesting times.
 

weig2000

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Yeah ofc, but every move they make is countered with such aplomb. BRICS+ contains the worlds largest democracies, I’m talking about true democracies not false, or partial ones, like the US.

While the US can’t even get Korea and Japan to talk, China builds consensus with the majority of the world. We are not finished yet, because we have some big news about the GCC, Latin American and Caribbean countries still to come. At which point it will be the West that will be isolated !

As usual, the US will probably resort to regime change as their main counter, but this doesn’t seem to be effective anymore.

At some point, China, perhaps together with Russia in some cases, should offer security guarantee to some of the developing countries selectively. China is not ready yet--we're talking about something a good decade and half away. It sounds still far in the future, but it is not. The US is in decline, and is trying to mobilize its vassals and clients to form an anti-China & anti-Russia block and continues its hegemony and bullying over vast majority of the countries in the world. China needs to step up the leadership and takes counter-measures. The world needs an alternative to the US and its vassals.

BRICS+ is a good starting point; it can form the economic and political foundation. Over time, it can move into security relationships.
 

Rettam Stacf

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Yeah, but in a democratic world nothing beats having a majority of people.

You could also say how many maritime choke points will be controlled once Egypt, Saudi, UAE, Indonesia and Thailand join. Or how many maritime trade routes, or SLOCs will need more security patrols, surely the South Atlantic and Gulf of Guinea will see more Chinese presence (there is already a frigate on patrol).

All places that the West does NOT want to be having to concern themselves with right now, kind of like the South Pacific.

American diplomats are sure living in interesting times.

The G7 has less population than even China or India, and yet they as a grouping essentially "controls" the world, even though that is eroding.

As the Russia-Ukraine conflict taught us, it is not that easy to take down a country that has significant energy and food resources, even though her GDP is quite small. This is the new reality of world economics - energy and food are the real currencies. BRICS should seize the opportunity to give the global south a much stronger representation and control over its own destiny.

I am not denying Russia's military power, both conventional and nuclear, is not important in Russia being able to determine her own destiny. But without her energy and food power, Russia will collapse under the US-EU sponsored sanctions.

Fully agree with @weig2000 BRICS+ should be an economy partnership first, political second, and military alliance last.
 
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daifo

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At some point, China, perhaps together with Russia in some cases, should offer security guarantee to some of the developing countries selectively. China is not ready yet--we're talking about something a good decade and half away. It sounds still far in the future, but it is not. The US is in decline, and is trying to mobilize its vassals and clients to form an anti-China & anti-Russia block and continues its hegemony and bullying over vast majority of the countries in the world. China needs to step up the leadership and takes counter-measures. The world needs an alternative to the US and its vassals.

BRICS+ is a good starting point; it can form the economic and political foundation. Over time, it can move into security relationships.

The problem with BRIC + is there are overwhelmingly more Anti-China Ja Hind types brainwashing their own people for decades than there are Anti-Indian Chinese.
 
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