Where do the Members of SDF stand on the issue of the War in the Ukraine?

[Deino]

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There is no neutrality while dealing with West & it's peoples.
Sacred Article 6 - An act by one of you, is an act by all of you.

It is very simple math.

No it is not that simple: only since there are stupid leaders in the west does not mean all peoples from the west are stupid. And the same is for peoples dem the eastern block.

in fact this stupid generalizing from stupid ones is what makes this issue so complicated.

 

[KYli]

Once again and please don't misunderstand me, as this is not intended to be blackmail, but I don't understand this arbitrary approach, against all the rules!??

For years we have fared more than well with the fact that no political issues were tolerated and even if the situation here is new and unique, since the world has not been in such danger for decades, I am convinced that our forum had its quality next to the professional quality of its members, above all through the more polite and respectful interaction with each other, since certain rules were strictly observed and this includes the fact that certain things were a "no go" and that political hate speech and propaganda were not allowed.

We are a forum for China's military" ... this is our core business!

The fact that a moderator, contrary to all these rules, is doing exactly that on his own authority, namely by dividing into black and white, pro-Russian or pro-Ukraine - aka Russia or NATO, which is naive, at best only part of the story - and at the same time cheering by openly this split, allowing, even supporting, slander, insults, the use of propaganda symbols etc., is a point on to which I can't say, "ok, then I'll ignore that and leave it to serial numbers and aircraft".

Quite simply and certainly with a very heavy heart, then I'm out.

SDF from its inception was filled with politics and what if threads. To say that no political issues were discussed or political topics were not tolerated are simply not true. As a military forum, it is bound to attract politics. CDF, PDF, and WAFF all have political discussions. SDF is the exception rather than the rule.

SDF attempted to ban political discussion and focused upon Chinese military is always a back and forth process. Political discussion never stopped even after many crackdowns but many topics were not too controversial and didn't become too heated.

For topics such as Ukraine crisis which is too controversial, then the method is always a lock down of threads. Most often these sensitive political topics would cool off after a few weeks or even a few months. The difference is Ukraine crisis is not going away soon. The war is still ongoing after months and the intensity and scale were unprecedented since WW2 and Korean War.

If you felt that these kinds of topics shouldn't be allowed, then just lock those threads after consultation with other mods. Russian and Ukrainian military news threads all have the potential to go off topics. A ban of few members would deter but not ended off topics discussions. If tolerated and given members some space, fine. If not, locked those threads and this one until the Ukraine crisis cool down.

Unless you planned to ban 50% of members here, the tendency of off topics and political discussion wouldn't completely go away. So if banning a few members didn't work and you are running out of patient, then locking threads are the only way to do it.

 

[KYli]

That's exactly as if you would ask the kids at school if they no longer want to be tested! ... we as the moderators have a responsibility and I'm more than convinced that several of those who have spoken "pro" your side are mostly here for this topic and rarely post on PLA-military related stuff. On the other side including myself, several who are pro-Ukraine refused to vote not since they are pro-NATO, or pro-Nazi - a most embarrassing and insulting claim - but since they are pro-accepted borders and clearly against-war!

No it is not that simple: only since there are stupid leaders in the west does not mean all peoples from the west are stupid. And the same is for peoples dem the eastern block.

in fact this stupid generalizing from stupid ones is what makes this issue so complicated.

Give me a break. Europeans started colonization, imperialism, and two world wars and you expect people to believe that somehow you people have changed and become better. You guys only talk the good talk but never walk the good walk. How many wars you guys were involved in after WW2. Pro-border, you say. How about Yugoslavia. Against war, you say, how about Iraq and Libya. You guys would happily jump up and down if you could break Russia and China into tens of pieces.

The only thing you guys are pro is international liberal ruled based order that the US seat on the top and you guys seat on the table. Didn't you hear what your leaders say. Anyone who dare to challenge the Western ruled base order would be destroyed because it is our White Western civilization that created the world and made the rules.

If you guys are for peace, then NATO wouldn't expand eastward towards Russian border. Even if you guys are against war, then you guys wouldn't stir up Taiwan conflict and making the war in the Taiwan strait all but impossible to avoid.

 

[Shaolian]

Okayyy.... maybe we should be having a cooling down period? How about that?

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Mods should had atleast hid the person who is voting for/against. Now People can gang up & abuse indivisual users.

The answers aren't exactly surprising.

 

[solarz]

Once again and please don't misunderstand me, as this is not intended to be blackmail, but I don't understand this arbitrary approach, against all the rules!??

For years we have fared more than well with the fact that no political issues were tolerated and even if the situation here is new and unique, since the world has not been in such danger for decades, I am convinced that our forum had its quality next to the professional quality of its members, above all through the more polite and respectful interaction with each other, since certain rules were strictly observed and this includes the fact that certain things were a "no go" and that political hate speech and propaganda were not allowed.

We are a forum for China's military" ... this is our core business!

The fact that a moderator, contrary to all these rules, is doing exactly that on his own authority, namely by dividing into black and white, pro-Russian or pro-Ukraine - aka Russia or NATO, which is naive, at best only part of the story - and at the same time cheering by openly this split, allowing, even supporting, slander, insults, the use of propaganda symbols etc., is a point on to which I can't say, "ok, then I'll ignore that and leave it to serial numbers and aircraft".

Quite simply and certainly with a very heavy heart, then I'm out.

Deino, aren't you doing exactly what you said we're not allowed to do? I.E. political discussions of the Ukrainian conflict. At the very least, you've re-opened the can of worms that we closed with the Ukraine thread.

Prior to your post, people were only talking about their positions on the issue, with most people asking for a third option. Nobody was arguing politics over Ukraine.

 

[Deino]

Deino, aren't you doing exactly what you said we're not allowed to do? I.E. political discussions of the Ukrainian conflict. At the very least, you've re-opened the can of worms that we closed with the Ukraine thread.

Prior to your post, people were only talking about their positions on the issue, with most people asking for a third option. Nobody was arguing politics over Ukraine.

You are funny… all I do saying there should be a third option since the situation is not as easy as some think. And now I’m accused of posting political stuff while at the same time I am being offended since I’m either not clear pro Russia as most seem to wish or not too clear anti Ukraine? Seems as if you are the one who cannot accept a different IMO missing third option?!

 

[PiSigma]

That's news to me. How do I do that.

I have no idea. No longer a mod. I changed it like 15 years ago, and it just stuck.

 

[PiSigma]

Give me a break. Europeans started colonization, imperialism, and two world wars and you expect people to believe that somehow you people have changed and become better. You guys only talk the good talk but never walk the good walk. How many wars you guys were involved in after WW2. Pro-border, you say. How about Yugoslavia. Against war, you say, how about Iraq and Libya. You guys would happily jump up and down if you could break Russia and China into tens of pieces.

The only thing you guys are pro is international liberal ruled based order that the US seat on the top and you guys seat on the table. Didn't you hear what your leaders say. Anyone who dare to challenge the Western ruled base order would be destroyed because it is our White Western civilization that created the world and made the rules.

If you guys are for peace, then NATO wouldn't expand eastward towards Russian border. Even if you guys are against war, then you guys wouldn't stir up Taiwan conflict and making the war in the Taiwan strait all but impossible to avoid.

Think your "you" is too generic. Not everyone is an imperialist. Most political leaders might be, but most average citizens couldn't care less.

 

[KYli]

Think your "you" is too generic. Not everyone is an imperialist. Most political leaders might be, but most average citizens couldn't care less.

Maybe so, however it doesn't make a difference. Most don't care and willing to go along with whatever the political leaders say.