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manqiangrexue

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In reality, I have strongly criticized both Russia and the USA (much, though not all, of NATO tends to follow the USA).
This is a tug of war; pulling for both sides is pointless. Pick a side and fight for it; your view that everyone should follow morals and conduct themselves with respect and decency is childish on the international arena. Major global powers build their own might and follow no rules.
I make no apology for declaring that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is legally and morally wrong and should be opposed.
If you oppose Russia and you oppose the US too, then your existence is meaningless and a net zero. In a vacuum, Russia should not invade another country. But this is a world where the US and NATO routinely invade other countries to grow their evil across the world; if similar tactics are not used to defeat them based on moral grounds, the result is an even greater evil that will ensue if they were to win. Every country that has sanctioned Russia but did not do so to the US over Iraq and Afghanistan is a hypocrite, a coward, or both. I support Russia because if the US/NATO has the right to invade small countries that oppose them, then so does Russia. And by right, I mean that in the sense of might makes right, which is the true law in this world.
You show no comprehension of the brutality and corruption that Putin allows to flourish in Russia. And I am speaking of Russia long before this war.
You show no evidence of what others show no comprehension.
I would stand with my Russian friends against Putin and you.
Standing against others online is nothing; go stand against Putin in Russia and you will stand for a very short period of time. The Russian people love him; your friends are too soft for real politics at best and traitors at worst. I have never reserved a speck or shred of basic respect for those who betray their own nation/race.
 
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Lapin

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That's great, why don't you tell those Russians to their face how you and the West think of them? Did you guys all of a sudden had a change of heart, or were you just hiding all that preconceived racism all this time? Yes, everyone that doesn't agree with you posting your racist, borderline Nazi agenda is a fanatic. I don't know which country you are from, but imagine that Russia is replaced with the name of your own country, and Russians replaced with your countrymen. How would you feel to be called an evil barbarian? Let me tell you something, everything you see that the West is doing to Russia will easily be replicated to any non-Western nation, including China. I don't want to see that happen. So please get off your high horse, no one is buying your 耗材 talks here. There is a reason why the majority of non-Western nations doesn't back your agenda.

BTW, this is reference for 耗材. Please reflect upon it and see if it applies to you.

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Evidently, you equate Putin with Russia, just like Nazi propaganda equated Hitler (an Austrian) with Germany.
You apparently imagine that ruthless imperialism is the soul of Russia. To that, I would say that Pushkin and
Tchaikovsky are much finer representatives of the Russian soul.

My Russian friends were largely members of the intelligentsia, who regarded Putin with disdain or loathing.
Some of them were quick to disillusion me about some romantic notions (gleaned from literature) of Russia.
Russia has plenty of racism, sexism, and other kinds of bigotry. It's amusing that many Chinese writers here
seem blithely ignorant of the fierce prejudices that they likely would have encountered in Russia not long ago.

When visiting an aviation museum, I was allowed to sit in the cockpit of a retired MiG-21.
My guide (a flight instructor) remarked in jest that, physically, I could have been a good pilot of a MiG-21.
I decided to sing Катюша, which resulted in applause from other visitors and an invitation to dinner from one of them.
Another man proudly declared, 'Our culture is much deeper than Western culture'. I hope that he did not jump
to the conclusion that I agreed with him. It's very hard to say that one culture is 'deeper' than another.

While Russians have a reputation for patriotism, I knew Russian men who desperately sought to evade military service.
One man said that he envied me because I would not have to worry about being conscripted unless it were the Third World War.
I don't recall having any Russian friends who would have eagerly volunteered to fight in Ukraine.

I could not be a friend of any ватник. This forum seems full of them.
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manqiangrexue

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Evidently, you equate Putin with Russia, just like Nazi propaganda equated Hitler (an Austrian) with Germany.
You apparently imagine that ruthless imperialism is the soul of Russia. To that, I would say that Pushkin and
Tchaikovsky are much finer representatives of the Russian soul.

My Russian friends were largely members of the intelligentsia, who regarded Putin with disdain or loathing.
Some of them were quick to disillusion me about some romantic notions (gleaned from literature) of Russia.
Russia has plenty of racism, sexism, and other kinds of bigotry. It's amusing that many Chinese writers here
seem blithely ignorant of the fierce prejudices that they likely would have encountered in Russia not long ago.

When visiting an aviation museum, I was allowed to sit in the cockpit of a retired MiG-21.
My guide (a flight instructor) remarked in jest that, physically, I could have been a good pilot of a MiG-21.
I decided to sing Катюша, which resulted in applause from other visitors and an invitation to dinner from one of them.
Another man proudly declared, 'Our culture is much deeper than Western culture'. I hope that he did not jump
to the conclusion that I agreed with him. It's very hard to say that one culture is 'deeper' than another.

While Russians have a reputation for patriotism, I knew Russian men who desperately sought to evade military service.
One man said that he envied me because I would not have to worry about being conscripted unless it were the Third World War.
I don't recall having any Russian friends who would have eagerly volunteered to fight in Ukraine.

I could not be a friend of any ватник. This forum seems full of them.
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Quite obvious what happened to you; you fell into a pit of Russian traitors and outcasts either by luck or by natural self-selection, and they took you as a friend. From there on, you were introduced to more and more of them. They have created an illusionary world to comfort themselves that they are actually the soul of Russia and not its wildly popular president, who has actually seen his support levels rise during this war. You did not possess the logical reasoning to see behind their world of lies that they presented to you by simply looking at the empirical evidence; rather you respond to emotional and romantic sentiment. You wanted to feel that you were so in touch and got to know Russia so well, an exclusive behind-the-scenes look, because that makes you so special. You were surrounded by the group of these "people" who pulled a veil over your eyes so you could not see what real hot-blooded patriotic Russians are like, the majority that voted Putin into power again and again and again. In your mind, they are crude and you are cultured, but in reality, they represent Russia; they fight for meaning and power while you only fool yourself by creating a life that is full of romantic illusion and net-zero actions. Here, speaking to us, we show you the cold reality that the world is not made of your traitorous self-loathing Russian friends.
 
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Lapin

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This is a tug of war; pulling for both sides is pointless. Pick a side and fight for it; your view that everyone should follow morals and conduct themselves with respect and decency is childish on the international arena. Major global powers build their own might and follow no rules.

If you oppose Russia and you oppose the US too, then your existence is meaningless and a net zero. In a vacuum, Russia should not invade another country. But this is a world where the US and NATO routinely invade other countries to grow their evil across the world; if similar tactics are not used to defeat them based on moral grounds, the result is an even greater evil that will ensue if they were to win. Every country that has sanctioned Russia but did not do so to the US over Iraq and Afghanistan is a hypocrite, a coward, or both. I support Russia because if the US/NATO has the right to invade small countries that oppose them, then so does Russia. And by right, I mean that in the sense of might makes right, which is the true law in this world.

You show no evidence of what others show no comprehension.

Standing against others online is nothing; go stand against Putin in Russia and you will stand for a very short period of time. The Russian people love him; your friends are too soft for real politics at best and traitors at worst. I have never reserved a speck or shred of basic respect for those who betray their own nation/race.
It's appalling that many, if not most, writers here endorse a kind of Manichaeism in international relations.

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"Major global powers build their own might and follow no rules."

Has China officially declared that it has no respect for the rule of law?
Not even Beijing has dared to make that declaration. Who abroad would invest in such a China?

"If you oppose Russia and you oppose the US too, then your existence is meaningless and a net zero."

In fact, in the decade from the Sino-Soviet split to Nixon's visit to China, China did oppose both the USA and USSR.
When Nigeria was supported by both the USA and USSR, China declared its support for Biafra (Nigeria's enemy).
Was the Non-Aligned Movement meaningless? Was Tito a 'net zero'?

"I support Russia because if the US/NATO has the right to invade small countries that oppose them, then so does Russia."

So if you notice another man raping a woman, then would you claim the 'right' to rape another woman because he did so?

"And by right, I mean that in the sense of might makes right, which is the true law in this world."

Spoken like a true rape apologist, if not also a rapist.

"You show no evidence of what others show no comprehension."

You are disgustingly willfully blind when you strive to deny the existence of brutality and corruption in Russia.
Putin presides over a kleptocracy, where he rewards his cronies for their absolute loyalty and obedience.

"Go stand against Putin in Russia and you will stand for a very short period of time."

Surely, you must admire Hitler as much as you admire Putin for crushing his suspected enemies ruthlessly.

"The Russian people love him [Putin]."

The Russians most likely love Putin less in 2022 than the Germans loved Hitler in the summer of 1940.
If Putin's supposedly so universally loved, why does he express his need (which you admire) to crush all
his suspected enemies ruthlessly?

"Your friends are too soft for real politics at best and traitors at worst."

Not every Russian is a ватник. So an arrogant foreigner who's never lived in Russia acts like he knows
more about how to be a Russian.

"I have never reserved a speck or shred of basic respect for those who betray their own nation/race."

So you must hate all the Germans who fought against Hitler and the Nazis.
Hitler would have agreed with you that those Germans were traitors.
 

manqiangrexue

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It's appalling that you not only fail to recognize the true components of a global power struggle but also to recognize empirical evidence over personal experience. Manichaeism aside, even without demonization of the other side, I will always support my nation because it forever represents me and I forever represent it.
"Major global powers build their own might and follow no rules."

Has China officially declared that it has no respect for the rule of law?
Not even Beijing has dared to make that declaration. Who abroad would invest in such a China?
Who makes a declaration like this?? LOL Not the US, China, Russia, or anyone. But they do break all the rules and they offer poor/weak justification and the rest of the world just has to live with it. What a childish question of yours.
"If you oppose Russia and you oppose the US too, then your existence is meaningless and a net zero."

In fact, in the decade from the Sino-Soviet split to Nixon's visit to China, China did oppose both the USA and USSR.
When Nigeria was supported by both the USA and USSR, China declared its support for Biafra (Nigeria's enemy).
Was the Non-Aligned Movement meaningless? Was Tito a 'net zero'?
China has the power to create its own polarity in the world and China's rejection of Chiang in favor of Mao was (at least partly) because Mao believed that China needs follow no one but become a power on its own. You are not China; you're an internet rando who has no power, doesn't want to join a team but wants to sit on the side-lines criticizing everyone. What a wasted existence, but you have a right to it. Just don't think you can spread it here.
"I support Russia because if the US/NATO has the right to invade small countries that oppose them, then so does Russia."

So if you notice another man raping a woman, then would you claim the 'right' to rape another woman because he did so?
What a stupid take. Raping a woman is a meaningless and evil action. Both Russia and the US are opposite powers and do these things to grow their own might. I argue that Russia's actions to bolster its power should suffer no constraints that the US does not... and you ask this stupid question about rape LOL. Guess what? I'll play. In a world where there is no higher power, if there are 2 men and one man is raping women to increase his offspring, then the other man had best do the same lest he be hunted down by an army of his enemy's kin in the future.
"And by right, I mean that in the sense of might makes right, which is the true law in this world."

Spoken like a true rape apologist, if not also a rapist.
You have a Freudian relationship with rape, don't you? LOL What I said is not an opinion or up for intelligent debate. Might makes right, for all of human history and even prehistory. Trying to argue against it just proves your meaningless romantic ideals.
"You show no evidence of what others show no comprehension."

You are disgustingly willfully blind when you strive to deny the existence of brutality and corruption in Russia.
Putin presides over a kleptocracy, where he rewards his cronies for their absolute loyalty and obedience.
You have disgustingly little evidence, and continue to have none. I said show the evidence; I didn't say make up more random claims, did I?
"Go stand against Putin in Russia and you will stand for a very short period of time."

Surely, you must admire Hitler as much as you admire Putin for crushing his suspected enemies ruthlessly.
No, Hitler was very much self-hating as he put on a pedestal a race of people to which he did not belong. Putin, from his childhood to now, wanted most to serve Russia, through all hardship and challenge, to bring his own people to the top. I admire just Putin.
"The Russian people love him [Putin]."

The Russians most likely love Putin less in 2022 than the Germans loved Hitler in the summer of 1940.
That's irrelevant. Not all beloved leaders are the same. The point is that you thought that people who hate Putin represent Russia, but not only was he voted in many times democratically, but his support is also rising. That proves that they are the true representatives of Russia and you were put into an imaginary world by your traitorous outcast friends, one that is the extend of your knowledge on Russia.
If Putin's supposedly so universally loved, why does he express his need (which you admire) to crush all his suspected enemies ruthlessly?
I don't tolerate vermin in my house and neither does he.
"Your friends are too soft for real politics at best and traitors at worst."

Not every Russian is a ватник. So an arrogant foreigner who's never lived in Russia acts like he knows more about how to be a Russian.
Russian nationalists and patriots voted Putin into power many times, and you pretend that they don't represent Russia LOL. This "arrogant foreigner" knows how to read polls while you continue to be fooled by outcasts.

Why do you use a little bit of Cyrillic instead of just conversing in English? Is this the kind of cheap trick you need to use to feel cultured? LOL
"I have never reserved a speck or shred of basic respect for those who betray their own nation/race."

So you must hate all the Germans who fought against Hitler and the Nazis.
Hitler would have agreed with you that those Germans were traitors.
I don't have hatred for these races that don't matter to China, but like I said, I don't respect people who undermine their own nation and its war/national efforts.
 
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Can't see how a Ukrainian incursion into Russia would divert forces from the Donbas
We all know that the numbers involved in the "Special Military Operation" are surprisingly low and that any incursion would be met by other forces not engaged over the border and of course Interior forces as well.

It would simply give Russia the excuse to send additional forces over the border, afterwards, in a hot pursuit, or even during for a cross border encirclement. Sounds like propaganda BS from Kiev to me.
 

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Supposedly, Zelensky has ordered the invasion of Russia with the City of Belgorod as the target. Sounds like a suicide mission but whatever.
That would be a fast way to change this from a "special operation" to a full blown war, with Russia going into war economy mode and throwing far more troops into the fray.

Leopard 1A5 or 1A4 could be pretty troublesome since they had pretty decent fire control system with thermal imaging
The L7 gun can't do much against the armor of a T-72B, though. At least the T-64's has better chances of killing a T-72 and surviving.

It's appalling that many, if not most, writers here endorse a kind of Manichaeism in international relations.
Learnt from the best.
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Russians should have bought Chinese drones when they had a chance.

I think it was already shown that the ukranians were mostly bullshitting with this video
 
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