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redion

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I overview of the weapons that Italy has send to Ukraine. All the underlying weapons are from Italian Army stocks not from industry.
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4Runner

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The Pentagon is advising Zelensky to withdraw the 100k Ukrainian forces in the Donbas to the cities. I doubt it’ll happen as if they move they would get bombed by Russian assets.

“The Pentagon recommends Zelensky to withdraw troops from the eastern front

This is reported by TG channels close to the Zelensky administration. This is the second such recommendation in the last 2 weeks.



"It is recommended to withdraw the troops to the second defensive redoubt in order to use large cities as fortresses. The US military believes that Poltava/Dnipro/Zaporizhia will stop the Russian army and cause serious damage, and the tactics [operating with the retention of Donbass] of the General Staff will repeat the fate of Mariupol with a difference in scale. If a group of 20 thousand was surrounded and subjected to methodical destruction within a month, then the 100 thousandth army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the eastern front can be surrounded within two weeks, and then the same scenario will happen as in Mariupol."
This is exactly what "围城打援+阻击战" was designed for. And they thought they could fight China. As General Bradley once said, they should have had their heads checked if anyone wanted to fight a land war against China.
 

Lapin

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Here's an article by a Lithuanian (who grew up in the USSR), which contends, in effect, that Russians are barbarous
because they really are not European, even though sometimes they may pretend to be 'civilized' Europeans.

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"We saw this coming: For Russia's neighbors, Putin's brutal invasion came as no surprise
For Lithuanians like me, raised on Russian propaganda, all of this was expected. The West didn't want to listen."
--
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(9 April 2022)

"For Lithuanians or Poles, Russia's invasion of Ukraine did not come as a shock. It was always plausible — for more than a decade,
Russia has rehearsed attacks on its neighbors during military exercises, going as far as a simulated "cut-off" of the Baltic states from
the EU or simulated nuclear strikes on Warsaw or Berlin. As I write, children are dying, Ukrainian women and girls are being raped by
Russian soldiers, civilians are shot in the back; schools, hospitals and UNESCO-protected cathedrals are being carpet-bombed.
The death and deportation lists for thousands of Ukrainians have reportedly been drawn up, just as they were under Stalin and Hitler."

"We constantly tried to forewarn our partners — but for the most part, they thought it was an exaggeration, an example of
Russophobia. No, it was simply our fluency in their language; it was expertise and Russo-realism.

Why are so few willing to listen to this expertise? Even now, priority is given to those few Russian intellectuals who beg us not to
equate all Russians with Vladimir Putin, asking us to remember Russia's contributions to world culture. I hear their cries of despair,
but how are they constructive or relevant now? We already know, from the insights of Alphonse de Custine to André Gide to
Orlando Figes, that throughout the ages the main preoccupation of Russian intellectuals has been "What will the world think about
us? Won't the greatness of our cultural façade be diminished?" — and never mind the massacre of Ukrainian innocents."

"I feel that a cultural translation is required, as the Russian intellectuals cannot be impartial and the Western critics often lack
basic comprehension of Russian culture and language.

The latter, arguing that what is happening now is Russia's reaction to NATO expansion, are in fact supporting Putin's mindset:
There is no rule of law, no democracy and no national sovereignty; no results of national referendums are valid; the world is
just a cake to be sliced by those who happen to hold a knife."

"The main mistake made by Western countries was to accept the illusion that Russia is a part of European civilization.
This reflects Russia's capability to look like a simulacrum of European culture and to imitate its aesthetic shell while retaining
an entirely different content, often opposite to Western values."

My comment: 'The Russians are truly Asiatics' meme.

"The Russian state has historically never had a politically pluralist society nor any meaningful degree of self-governance, not even
on a low level, such as municipal or academic autonomy. It has always been a pyramid of power, enforced with violence, subjugating
its people into blind obedience. Even the notion of time in the Russian culture is different to the Western conception. It is cyclical, not
linear: Russians perceive that history is bound to repeat itself; it is predestined, and does not depend on individual human actions.
In this context, the human being is perceived as a tool, capable only of suffering; Russian culture has always glorified passive suffering (not proactive acts of kindness) as the warranty of "spirituality." Individuality and initiative were always persecuted, because
"vsiakaya vlast' — ot Boga." ("All worldly authority is from God.")"

"For decades now, Russian media has been feeding its public a stream of propaganda about their major enemy, the "rotten West"
(that's you and me) and the "aggressive Natovtsy" (i.e., NATO). The narrative repeated on a daily basis in Russia is about failing
Western societies, full of fascists and "perverts," largely meaning gays and lesbians. (They have even coined the Russian neologisms
"Gayrope" for Europe and "Liberasty," as in "pederasty," to describe liberal democracy.)

According to Russian propaganda, the nation's mission is to "liberate" Europe. We saw this all already with the "liberation" of the Baltic
countries during World War II. Millions of German women and girls were "liberated" by Russians in 1945, raped on their own soil."

Soviet soldiers (not only Russians, including Ukrainians) also raped many non-German women and girls.
Soviet war crimes were not committed by Russians alone.

"Current public opinion polls show that this view of "aggressive" NATO, the "rotten West" and the need to "liberate" Ukraine
is supported by approximately 70% of Russian citizens. Actively or passively, they are enabling what is happening."

"I had the Soviet school experience myself, and remember the content of the textbooks written to brainwash generations into
becoming uncritical cannon fodder for the fight with the rotten, capitalist West."

"Those in the West who go on and on about the need to support Russian society with "democratic change" or a "new Marshall plan"
do not understand one crucial fact: There is no critical mass in Russian society who want to implement it. It is impossible to import
democracy if 70% of Russians see it as an evil from the West.

As their neighbors, we know the Russian mentality and our advice is simple: Be fearless. Each Western appeasement toward Russia,
each silence, each closing of the eyes is treated as a sign of weakness, and Russians never respect weakness. They are not pragmatic
and do not mind self-inflicted wounds if they believe there is a higher goal."

"Let us do everything to help Ukraine win: On Ukraine's land and with Ukrainian blood, the battle for Western civilization is now
being fought."

Both Russia and Ukrainian are successor states to the USSR and inherited Soviet traditions.
In my view, it's an exaggeration (at best) for the author to portray the Ukrainians as 'good civilized Europeans' and
the Russians as 'evil barbarous Asiatics' (n effect).
 

Richard Santos

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The Pentagon is advising Zelensky to withdraw the 100k Ukrainian forces in the Donbas to the cities. I doubt it’ll happen as if they move they would get bombed by Russian assets.

“The Pentagon recommends Zelensky to withdraw troops from the eastern front

This is reported by TG channels close to the Zelensky administration. This is the second such recommendation in the last 2 weeks.



"It is recommended to withdraw the troops to the second defensive redoubt in order to use large cities as fortresses. The US military believes that Poltava/Dnipro/Zaporizhia will stop the Russian army and cause serious damage, and the tactics [operating with the retention of Donbass] of the General Staff will repeat the fate of Mariupol with a difference in scale. If a group of 20 thousand was surrounded and subjected to methodical destruction within a month, then the 100 thousandth army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the eastern front can be surrounded within two weeks, and then the same scenario will happen as in Mariupol."


Clearly not a single drop of Ukrainian civilian blood must be spared if the Russians are to be defeated.

The motive behind this suggestion is not hard to fathom. The US wishes to ensure the most productive and developed parts of eastern Ukraine is laid waste so if the russians succeeds in taking it, it would become a discontented drain on russia rather than a productive region able to pay for itself.

It is scorched earth policy.
 
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GodRektsNoobs

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Here's an article by a Lithuanian (who grew up in the USSR), which contends, in effect, that Russians are barbarous
because they really are not European, even though sometimes they may pretend to be 'civilized' Europeans.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

"We saw this coming: For Russia's neighbors, Putin's brutal invasion came as no surprise
For Lithuanians like me, raised on Russian propaganda, all of this was expected. The West didn't want to listen."
--
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
(9 April 2022)

"For Lithuanians or Poles, Russia's invasion of Ukraine did not come as a shock. It was always plausible — for more than a decade,
Russia has rehearsed attacks on its neighbors during military exercises, going as far as a simulated "cut-off" of the Baltic states from
the EU or simulated nuclear strikes on Warsaw or Berlin. As I write, children are dying, Ukrainian women and girls are being raped by
Russian soldiers, civilians are shot in the back; schools, hospitals and UNESCO-protected cathedrals are being carpet-bombed.
The death and deportation lists for thousands of Ukrainians have reportedly been drawn up, just as they were under Stalin and Hitler."

"We constantly tried to forewarn our partners — but for the most part, they thought it was an exaggeration, an example of
Russophobia. No, it was simply our fluency in their language; it was expertise and Russo-realism.

Why are so few willing to listen to this expertise? Even now, priority is given to those few Russian intellectuals who beg us not to
equate all Russians with Vladimir Putin, asking us to remember Russia's contributions to world culture. I hear their cries of despair,
but how are they constructive or relevant now? We already know, from the insights of Alphonse de Custine to André Gide to
Orlando Figes, that throughout the ages the main preoccupation of Russian intellectuals has been "What will the world think about
us? Won't the greatness of our cultural façade be diminished?" — and never mind the massacre of Ukrainian innocents."

"I feel that a cultural translation is required, as the Russian intellectuals cannot be impartial and the Western critics often lack
basic comprehension of Russian culture and language.

The latter, arguing that what is happening now is Russia's reaction to NATO expansion, are in fact supporting Putin's mindset:
There is no rule of law, no democracy and no national sovereignty; no results of national referendums are valid; the world is
just a cake to be sliced by those who happen to hold a knife."

"The main mistake made by Western countries was to accept the illusion that Russia is a part of European civilization.
This reflects Russia's capability to look like a simulacrum of European culture and to imitate its aesthetic shell while retaining
an entirely different content, often opposite to Western values."

My comment: 'The Russians are truly Asiatics' meme.

"The Russian state has historically never had a politically pluralist society nor any meaningful degree of self-governance, not even
on a low level, such as municipal or academic autonomy. It has always been a pyramid of power, enforced with violence, subjugating
its people into blind obedience. Even the notion of time in the Russian culture is different to the Western conception. It is cyclical, not
linear: Russians perceive that history is bound to repeat itself; it is predestined, and does not depend on individual human actions.
In this context, the human being is perceived as a tool, capable only of suffering; Russian culture has always glorified passive suffering (not proactive acts of kindness) as the warranty of "spirituality." Individuality and initiative were always persecuted, because
"vsiakaya vlast' — ot Boga." ("All worldly authority is from God.")"

"For decades now, Russian media has been feeding its public a stream of propaganda about their major enemy, the "rotten West"
(that's you and me) and the "aggressive Natovtsy" (i.e., NATO). The narrative repeated on a daily basis in Russia is about failing
Western societies, full of fascists and "perverts," largely meaning gays and lesbians. (They have even coined the Russian neologisms
"Gayrope" for Europe and "Liberasty," as in "pederasty," to describe liberal democracy.)

According to Russian propaganda, the nation's mission is to "liberate" Europe. We saw this all already with the "liberation" of the Baltic
countries during World War II. Millions of German women and girls were "liberated" by Russians in 1945, raped on their own soil."

Soviet soldiers (not only Russians, including Ukrainians) also raped many non-German women and girls.
Soviet war crimes were not committed by Russians alone.

"Current public opinion polls show that this view of "aggressive" NATO, the "rotten West" and the need to "liberate" Ukraine
is supported by approximately 70% of Russian citizens. Actively or passively, they are enabling what is happening."

"I had the Soviet school experience myself, and remember the content of the textbooks written to brainwash generations into
becoming uncritical cannon fodder for the fight with the rotten, capitalist West."

"Those in the West who go on and on about the need to support Russian society with "democratic change" or a "new Marshall plan"
do not understand one crucial fact: There is no critical mass in Russian society who want to implement it. It is impossible to import
democracy if 70% of Russians see it as an evil from the West.

As their neighbors, we know the Russian mentality and our advice is simple: Be fearless. Each Western appeasement toward Russia,
each silence, each closing of the eyes is treated as a sign of weakness, and Russians never respect weakness. They are not pragmatic
and do not mind self-inflicted wounds if they believe there is a higher goal."

"Let us do everything to help Ukraine win: On Ukraine's land and with Ukrainian blood, the battle for Western civilization is now
being fought."

Both Russia and Ukrainian are successor states to the USSR and inherited Soviet traditions.
In my view, it's an exaggeration (at best) for the author to portray the Ukrainians as 'good civilized Europeans' and
the Russians as 'evil barbarous Asiatics' (n effect).
You are venturing into pure racism. Imagine the reaction on this forum if you replaced "Russia" with "China," because that's the type of content that Chinese have to put up with in the past decades from MSM. Dehumanizing an entire ethnicity. Reported.
 

Soldier30

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Initially, it was believed that it was a tank of the Russian army that fired at a group of Ukrainian military at point-blank range, but then it turned out that Ukrainian taxi drivers fired at their own at point-blank range. There was an abandoned Russian BMP next to the soldiers, the tankers thought it was the Russian military and opened fire. There is already a video of the dead, but there is one tin on it..


An armada of Russian troops is marching on Kharkiv. Ukrainian media reported satellite images showing a giant Russian column of military equipment with a length of 12 km, going in the direction of Kharkov. Eyewitnesses from Ukraine have already started posting videos of this column of troops. As part of the special operation in Ukraine, a major battle will soon take place in the Donbas. After that, most likely, the troops will go to Kiev, since the success of the peace talks is very doubtful due to the statement of the head of EU diplomacy Josep Borrel, where he reports the need to resolve the conflict in Ukraine "on the battlefield", the actual Ukraine was told to fight.

 

sheogorath

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You are venturing into pure racism. Imagine the reaction on this forum if you replaced "Russia" with "China," because that's the type of content that Chinese have to put up with in the past decades from MSM. Dehumanizing an entire ethnicity. Reported.

I had figured they would eventually go mask off when they started to point out how nazis deserved sympathy
 
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