Ukrainian War Developments
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To keep a force to handle NATO or secondary conflicts. Also if Russia massed, say, 400k soldiers around Kiev you can bet the US would be highly tempted to nuke Kiev (yep you heard that right) just to destroy the entire Russian army. Then they could easily roll over Russia.
This was part of the Cold War NATO strategy. But back then they were supposed to nuke large Warsaw Pact formations entering West Germany.
Russia needs to avoid having large troop concentrations to avoid this kind of situation. The more people leave Kiev the less troops they will need to assault it.
It's President Elensky now....
Kiev calls on world to ban ‘Z’
Ukraine’s foreign minister says the letter symbolizes Russia’s military offensive
A column of Russian military equipment on the highway in the vicinity of Kherson. © Sputnik
Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmitry Kuleba has urged the global community to ban the Latin letter “Z” since, from Kiev’s point of view, it represents Russia’s military attack on the country.
“I call on all states to criminalize the use of the ‘Z’ symbol as a way to publicly support Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine,” Kuleba wrote on Twitter on Tuesday. He added that ‘Z’ means “Russian war crimes, bombed out cities, thousands of murdered Ukrainians” and said that “public support of this barbarism must be forbidden.”
Either the letter “Z” or the letter “V” are the two symbols depicted on all vehicles of the Russian army participating in the military operation in Ukraine. In Russia, both letters have become a widespread symbol to support the Kremlin’s military offensive against Kiev. The letters are commonly used on banners and car stickers.
There are many theories about the origins of the symbol. Some commenters have joked that “V” and “Z” represent the initials of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Others have speculated that the letters signify the attachment of a particular vehicle to Russia’s Western or Eastern military detachments.
Moscow’s Ministry of Defense gave its own explanation in an Instagram post in early March, however, hinting that “Z” stands for “victory” while “V” stands for “truth.”
Lithuanian deputies have also proposed criminalizing the letter “Z” along with the St. George ribbon, which is a Russian symbol to commemorate the Great Patriotic War. The legislators proposed equating both with the Nazi swastika and to punish the disposal of Russian symbols with a 500-euro fine.
Meanwhile, according to the German newspaper Bild, the letter “Z” as a symbol of Russia’s military operation has already been banned in some regions of Germany, including Berlin, Bavaria, Lower Saxony, and North Rhine-Westphalia.
Moscow attacked Ukraine in late February, following a seven-year standoff over Kiev’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk ceasefire agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.
Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join NATO. Kiev says the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the Donbass by force.
If Russia starts to make use of all 26 letters of the Latin alphabet to mark their equipment, then I guess Ukraine would wish for much of the western world to become illiterate in protest.
Also, please tell mr Kuleba a certain Mexican gentleman with a sword like to have a word:
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The U.S. isn't going to nuke Kiev.
Russia needs to keep back at least token forces to forestall a color revolution at home. It's armed forces aren't that big. The main reason why they can only commit 200k is because a draft historically is unpopular.
It's not only in Russia. In the U.S., the protests against the Vietnam War were a lot more acrimonious with college students rioting over the draft. The Iraq war was also unpopular, but because there was no draft, there was a lot less civil unrest.
Russia has historical memories - the 1917 February and October revolutions were both due to war in which conscripts were drafted. Also, in the Afghanistan War the Soviets sent in conscripts and it helped to make the war unpopular.
Plus, Russian law forbids conscripts from being sent in to combat. Therefore, any such decision would have to be taken legislatively by the Duma and it would be a major political decision.
Finally, there is the question of conscripts' effectiveness, as the draft is only for 1 year in Russia so most conscripts are probably complete newbies who don't know how to fight.
Last of all, Putin promised on TV on March 8 that conscripts wouldn't be sent to fight. He also made a big show of promising to punish any commanders who accidentally sent conscripts into Ukraine, even in support roles. Going back on his word so quickly would look bad and would involved a tacit admission that things weren't going according to plan - which Russia does not seem eager to do so far.
Introducing the draft in Russia would massively empower the opposition at a time when the armed forces that the Russian government would need to put down an uprising would be engaged in fighting in Ukraine. For all these reasons, it is an extremely difficult political decision, (if you are only looking at the battlefield in Ukraine it's a no-brainer but things are not that simple) although the Russian government may need to take it if the war is going very badly as the latter will erode the popularity of the government as well.
With a full mobilization of Russian society, it can immediately call on 2 million reserves and the fighting-age manpower of Russia is 21 million, so there is little doubt that Russia would be able to win the war with full mobilization. Ukrainian society is already throwing everything they have at the war and they are barely keeping it a stalemate. The question is whether Putin is willing to take the risk.
Russia needs to keep back at least token forces to forestall a color revolution at home. It's armed forces aren't that big. The main reason why they can only commit 200k is because a draft historically is unpopular.
It's not only in Russia. In the U.S., the protests against the Vietnam War were a lot more acrimonious with college students rioting over the draft. The Iraq war was also unpopular, but because there was no draft, there was a lot less civil unrest.
Russia has historical memories - the 1917 February and October revolutions were both due to war in which conscripts were drafted. Also, in the Afghanistan War the Soviets sent in conscripts and it helped to make the war unpopular.
Plus, Russian law forbids conscripts from being sent in to combat. Therefore, any such decision would have to be taken legislatively by the Duma and it would be a major political decision.
Finally, there is the question of conscripts' effectiveness, as the draft is only for 1 year in Russia so most conscripts are probably complete newbies who don't know how to fight.
Last of all, Putin promised on TV on March 8 that conscripts wouldn't be sent to fight. He also made a big show of promising to punish any commanders who accidentally sent conscripts into Ukraine, even in support roles. Going back on his word so quickly would look bad and would involved a tacit admission that things weren't going according to plan - which Russia does not seem eager to do so far.
Introducing the draft in Russia would massively empower the opposition at a time when the armed forces that the Russian government would need to put down an uprising would be engaged in fighting in Ukraine. For all these reasons, it is an extremely difficult political decision, (if you are only looking at the battlefield in Ukraine it's a no-brainer but things are not that simple) although the Russian government may need to take it if the war is going very badly as the latter will erode the popularity of the government as well.
With a full mobilization of Russian society, it can immediately call on 2 million reserves and the fighting-age manpower of Russia is 21 million, so there is little doubt that Russia would be able to win the war with full mobilization. Ukrainian society is already throwing everything they have at the war and they are barely keeping it a stalemate. The question is whether Putin is willing to take the risk.
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Have you seen the US public education system?
The window for NATO intervention has long passed. Plus, US is reinforcing tiny numbers to Poland, Romania, Baltics, there is no indication they plan on intervening.
What? You would need strategic nukes to wipe out 400K Russian troops dispersed around the perimeter of a city as large as Kiev, and how many civilians would die in this city of 3 million inhabitants just to wipe out 400K Russian troops? Also, Russia would retailiate with nukes too.
Yea, tactical nukes against incoming tank formations moving across large open plains of Germany.
That strategy doesn't apply to nuking a friendly capital cities with 3 million inhabitants just to take out a widely dispersed infantry force.
Cantonese don’t blame mandarins for intentionally starving 25% of the Cantonese to death, and that still within living memory. That difference matter a lot more than the sum total of the differences between Cantonese and mandarins.
Fun little fact I just learned about: we won't be seeing many more videos of Russian missiles blowing up major targets in Ukrainian cities because the Ukrainian government has made it illegal to post such videos. It's part of the information war that both sides seem more desperate to win than, you know, the actual war. There were apparently major Russian airstrikes all over Ukraine tonight, very few if any videos from them.
You can tell this idiot is only pretending to be Chinese.
Cantonese and Mandarin are NOT 'ethnicities', they are dialects/topolects/languages.
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Ukrainians have a FAR STRONGER national and ethnic identity than Cantonese people. Idiot.
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