Ukrainian War Developments

[KYli]

Don't look like previous report of China declining to provide aircraft spare parts is accurate.

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Ghost of Kiyv just doesn't go away.

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[yongpengsuen]

Krasnopol laser guided artillery around attacking a Ukrainian IFV.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502677321509228549

 

[Abominable]

I'm not a pacifist. I'm just against sacrificing long term strategic goals and potentially jeopardizing the future of one's nation and civilization in what is essentially a geopolitical game of chicken.

Agreed, and I think this whole conflict shows the stark difference between Russia and Chinese thinking.

What Russia is doing is like withdrawing all their life savings, sticking it all on a single hand of poker, and then finishing off with a game of Russian roulette.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Western weapons deliveries will be now considered valid targets for attack

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Pardon me for donning my Armchair Air Marshal epaulettes, but this is long, long overdue.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Technicals have pretty much become the modern equivalent of Mongol horse archers.
More countries should start looking into them especially with how easy and cheap they are to manufacture.

Looks like the Chinese MIC has caught on to this trend as well. One of the export-oriented fire-n'-forget ATGMs, the TL-4, was shown with an ATV platform and a CSK-131 vehicle-borne launcher.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Will they send some to China?

China might want to take a look at the systems to compare notes and test out its capabilities, but likely not to reverse-engineer it. Their own MIC has churned out no less than six families of similar man-portable "fire-and-forget" ATGMs:

1. HJ-12


2. TS-01


3. GAM-100/102


4. TL-4


5. QN-502C


6. Sabre (SR/MR/ER/NLOS)


The HJ-12 is already in service while a new ATGM, rumored the HJ-16, is thought to be based on either the QN-502C or the Sabre-series. In summary, the PLA might benefit from looking at the capabilities of the Javelin or NLAW to gauge its own defenses against them, but certainly not to reverse engineer them.

 

[Arnies]

China might want to take a look at the systems to compare notes and test out its capabilities, but likely not to reverse-engineer it. Their own MIC has churned out no less than six families of similar man-portable "fire-and-forget" ATGMs:

1. HJ-12
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2. TS-01
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3. GAM-100/102
View attachment 85130

4. TL-4
View attachment 85129

5. QN-502C
View attachment 85127

6. Sabre (SR/MR/ER/NLOS)
View attachment 85131

The HJ-12 is already in service while a new ATGM, rumored the HJ-16, is thought to be based on either the QN-502C or the Sabre-series. In summary, the PLA might benefit from looking at the capabilities of the Javelin or NLAW to gauge its own defenses against them, but certainly not to reverse engineer them.

That is a big warhead

 

[SinoSoldier]

That is a big warhead

They're similarly-sized, I would think. Some of the ATGMs such as the QN-502C and Sabre have different versions for different platforms as well as multi-ranged subvariants, so in those cases the longer-ranged versions would likely have larger warheads.

 

[Maikeru]

Amateurs talk tactics and strategy. Professionals talk logistics:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502732464980172802

 

[LCR34]

China might want to take a look at the systems to compare notes and test out its capabilities, but likely not to reverse-engineer it. Their own MIC has churned out no less than six families of similar man-portable "fire-and-forget" ATGMs:

1. HJ-12
View attachment 85126

2. TS-01
View attachment 85128

3. GAM-100/102
View attachment 85130

4. TL-4
View attachment 85129

5. QN-502C
View attachment 85127

6. Sabre (SR/MR/ER/NLOS)
View attachment 85131

The HJ-12 is already in service while a new ATGM, rumored the HJ-16, is thought to be based on either the QN-502C or the Sabre-series. In summary, the PLA might benefit from looking at the capabilities of the Javelin or NLAW to gauge its own defenses against them, but certainly not to reverse engineer them.

I do not have the slightest doubt that Javelin and NLAW will penetrate most if not all modern western tank (includes Type-10 and K2). Its how the internal arrangement that decides the fate of the crew. I have fear that 99A will suffer from the same fate as T72/90 in Ukraine if measures are not taken. Either you come out of insensitive propellant, or install APS. Blow out panels are out of question on tanks with carousel loader. Change of doctrine/tactics may help, eg mopping the area with thermals equipped UAV/drones, or sending in unmanned combat vehicles like Uran-9. Some people have pointed out that the convoy ambush footage released earlier was a booby trap/ remote trap. That does complicate the situation.