Ukrainian War Developments

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Jingle Bells

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Self-perceived strong military might. I don't thnk the RUssian armed forces are scaring anyone other than innocent civilians now. They would be lucky to last 5 minutes against NATO troops, even with a 5 to 1 advantage.

Geelong:

Well based on the competence they've displayed so far...
That's nothing to boast about. After all, Russia's forces in this war is not that different from a soviet era army tactics and technical level, yet without the logistics and supplies capabilities of the Soviet Army. Nor does it have the man power and the sheer equipment quantity superiority.

All in all, Russia is poor. It can't even afford to equip its forces with the new high tech gadgets that Russia itself can produce in large enough numbers to make a difference. It's only luck is that Ukraine is even poorer.

However, this does NOT mean that the nuclear and strategic war fighting capabilities of Russia can be trifled with.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Seems a lot of the money that was supposed to go to military modernization in Russia was actually lost through corruption. Which would explain the woeful state of a lot of Russian Army kit. At least according to a former Russian Foreign Minister. Worth reading the whole thread:

LOL coming from this failed "Foreign Minister" a sell out and the bringer of NATO to Russian doorstep I would hardly place any ounce of credibility from that American, and Miami resident Ruskie.
 

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Maikeru

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How are any of going to be used to determine deaths? You think someone is sat in front of a screen in the Pentagon counting dead bodies from a satellite feed?

The American figure is determined by taking whatever the Ukrainians are telling them and rounding it down a bit to make it more believeable.

You're the only one who's been littering this thread with Ukranian copium.

The one good thing about this war is that it's gotten the white supremacists to unmask themselves.
You are aware that the vast majority of Russians are white Orthodox Christians, yes?
 
Self-perceived strong military might. I don't thnk the RUssian armed forces are scaring anyone other than innocent civilians now. They would be lucky to last 5 minutes against NATO troops, even with a 5 to 1 advantage.

Geelong:

Well based on the competence they've displayed so far...

They wouldn't need to last 5 minutes because the NATO forces would be surrendering within 2 minutes of Putin announcing Russian nuclear forces being put on high alert. NATO, with close to x20 the military budget of Russia, is absolutely powerless against Russia.
 

Aegis21

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Except the figures are from NATO, not Ukraine. That's the NATO that has dozens of spy-planes, UAVs, satellites and other assets monitoring the whole area 24/7. And your assets are? Cope harder.
I dismissed most of your statements early on. At this point the preponderance of evidence suggests that Russians have done poorly with their objectives. No major cities were captured, Ukrainian command is still alive, and mid-long range SAMs are still active. All of that paints a poor image of Russian command. If anything, it seems that Russia underestimated Ukraine’s will to fight severely. I recall Russian troops just charging into cities in their armored cars thinking they would be greeted as liberators. Although the individual Russian soldier is capable the war has dispelled the strong image of the Russian forces. It’s still very likely that Russians will win this war but it will be a pyrrhic, tactical victory not a strategic one. The sanctions will still hurt the Russian economy even if China is able to mitigate it partially through increased trade.
 

TK3600

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Well, Russia NEEDS both Europe and China, in the future. Russia ONLY has a future, if she is able to become the land bridge of trade, and transportation to the greater Eurasian overland trade and transportation network. If Russia sours her relations with either Europe or China for good, she is either digging her own economic grave, or condemning herself to long long term poverty. Hydrocarbon energy is NOT the future.
Russia needs to be the guarantor of Eurasian trade, transportation and logistics, in addition to energy and resources provide. Or else, she will just rot away.

***** (i rather not name who it is) would hate to see this happening, therefore would want people on this route to hate each other and fight with each other, this is why you have Azov, Aidar, etc. I personally don't harbor that much hatred, fear or ill-emotion towards them, because if you read enough history, you will know that such militant tribalism and ultra-nationalism is nothing rare in history. It's not that such thing is not evil, it is because humanity is intrinsically evil. Our job as civilized entities, is to alleviate the suffering and pain that our evil nature will inflict upon our collective Self.

Therefore, if this war is fought with purpose to bash the effort of *****(I rather not name who it is) to sour the overland trade route and transportation route of Eurasian, than Russia is safeguarding her future and the future of the world, therefore she will come out intact. However, if this war is fought with any other reasons, than Russia is digging her own grave, EVEN IF she has won this war.

EU membership for Ukraine is bad for Russia, ONLY because it would put Russia in an even weaker bargaining position when deal with any EU-Russia trade issues. But ultimately, Russia and the EU both need each other. In fact, I've always thought that Ukraine's membership into the post-Brexit EU will actually put Ukraine under a stronger and more moral constraints of the EU's shared value system and governmental guidelines, as well as more subservient to the economic need of EU: which really want good trade relations with Russia for her cheap and abundant energy and resources, as well as overland access to Central Asia, South India, Arctic Ocean, and ultimately to East Asia.

In simpler words: if Ukraine is in the EU, she will need to tone down her Russophobia and ill intentions towards Russia, in order to safeguard EU-Russia trade and co-operation for EU, in exchange for economic prosperity as well as security guarantee (to an extent). An Ukraine outside of EU, will simple be an economic rogue state: if you don't give her what she actually needs (prosperity and security), she will be forced to jump the gun and giver you a lose-lose outcome.

NATO, however, is a totally different animal. Russia's action already shown Ukraine the danger and consequences of pursuing NATO membership. Now, if Putin has any strategic foresight, he will make NATO membership a red line, and condone a EU membership at the same time. This will also add on to the effort and decisions of France and Germany to increase their military spending and ever stronger call for an "EU Army", which will be a parallel (and thus, competing) entity of NATO, to an extent. At least this will turn NATO from a mono-centered (US-centered) entity to a somewhat dual-centered (US-center plus EU-center) entity. This would be a strategic move by Russia, with many many strategic benefits.
Great analysis.
 
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