Ukrainian War Developments

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noone536

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I do not think I have seen this great piece of "news" segment posted here before... This is some psyop shit.
satire get lost in translations.....

also i want to point out that people in this thread keep pointing finger at each other about being brain wash by western media while they themselves spew the same bs from which ever country they want to defend. whether its china or Russia. this view prob get lost but what happen to this forum following the ethics of evidence based discussion. i came here to see a unbiased military analysis instead all i get is heavy Chinese, Russian and some western propaganda. their is some of this in other part of the forum but their is almost always a counter swing with a unbiased analysis. in other word please treat the news and article in here with the same mentality you would of a news that a j-50 is in production. it might be the case but more photo and other type of evidence is required to confirm.

not sure how the mod can do this but i think for this specific thread it need more active moderation.
 

yongpengsuen

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I think this war will last many years. Yemen war started in 2015 and it's still going. Russia uses this war mainly for training purpose.
 

noone536

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“Russia will complete the decommunization of Ukraine,” - Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary for the Russian president, Vladimir Putin

This is being said in an ironic way from our understanding. In Putin’s original speech, he said Ukraine wants decommunization but conveniently keeps everything USSR built for them. Then Putin said “we’re ready to show you real decommunization”

It may also be related to the lands Ukraine got from 1922 & on. (a lot of land) Might have to do your own research into that.



Territorial Evolution of Ukraine

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Some further interesting info:

The idea of "Ukraine" did not start until the 19th century, how on earth there's "Ukrainian territories" in the 17th century?


"In 12th century the land was first mentioned as Ukraine. Russia did not exist."

Are you talking about Kievan Rus? You are aware that colloquially at the time it was just called "Rus land" when grouping all the principalities, and that the borderlands of which did not include even a specific region; is where the term 'Ukraine' came from. The word "Ukraine" originally means borderlands, that is not referring to a nationhood entity!

Ukraine got lots of lands from its neighbors as a consequence of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact 1939, lands that they still hold

Vladimir Putin once said "If you don't miss the USSR then you have no heart. If you want it back then you have no brain."
It makes sense that he at least appreciates its historical gains.

For added information, just watch the speech of the Russian President Vladimir Putin on 21 February 2022 - at 8:15 minute mark here: ~English subtitled (total ~56 min)

this is what i being saying all along that Putin want to bring back the old Russian empire not ussr.

i think this type of mentality is quite dangerous cause then you will ask where in history will you put the period. meaning can Mexico attack American and claim Texas? can china attack north Vietnam and claim it again like in the Ming dynasty. or can the Mongols come and conquer china again claiming history. can Manchuria be kicked out of china? can Columbia attack panama and claim history?

he has a point but the matter of fact is that people are dying and suffering all because of someone ego and greed.

i think the greed point get overlooked nowadays. Ukraine is the world third exporter of grains. their are oil and gas field found recently near Crimea. its also a country with 44 million people which would add tremendously the manufacture capacity of Russia specially military equipment.( heck I wouldn't be surprise if these thirds and second tier Russian unit bmp and logistic vehicle was made in Ukraine.). also not to mention the addition of ports to the black sea improving trade and etc.
 

lapain

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Alright folks. Here we are at the end of day 12 and nearing the dawn of day 13. The war grinds on. There's a lot less to say today, tbh, for a few reasons. I'll delve into those. However, in the grand scheme of things, not much has really happened.

To be up front and fair, this is my opinion and mine alone. No one else would want it and most would rather run as far and fast away from it as they could. It's worth exactly as much as you paid for it.

That said, let's dive in.

1. The Russians are winning. Let's just get that out of the way. Anyone who thinks the Ukrainians are going to come out on top either has prophet level prognostication (and where were you before the war started?! This could have been totally avoided then!) or has some mild issues that should be addressed.

2. The Russians are winning, but doing it pretty badly. The equipment losses continue. TB2s still fly and have started hitting the 64 km column. In fact, that column seems to have barely moved. The Ukrainian still have manned fighter aircraft in the air. The Russian navy lost a warship!

3. I will say it does appear the rate of equipment being abandoned has dropped. I had been noticing this for a few days and wondering if I was mistaken. Others have started to say the same thing. I was beginning to wonder if the last Ukrainian and Russian soldiers in the war would play a game where they would simply exchange the equipment and claim one side had won a great victory, only to exchange it back so the other side could.

4. It does appear the Ukrainians are free ranging all over and taking out supply convoys. So losses there are quite real. This lends credence to what I said not long ago: how far does an army really control? @Overbom said it: about 100m to the left and the right.

5. How much progress are the Russians making? it's really, really hard to tell. The Ukrainians claim very little has happened and the Russians haven't even encircled Kiev. The Russians claim to have done so and launched a wildly successful offensive out of the Donbas. Yet...they are firing Grad from downtown Donetsk and don't offer up photographic proof of their advance in the LNR. Seems rather Ukrainian of them. The Americans claim the Russians appear to have ground to a halt.

6. The proof part is about to get a lot harder. With the shutdown of tiktok in Russia. With the blocking of twitter and other social media, it's highly likely the only bits to come out will be very vetted. The social media war will have ended.

7. That seems to be the case on the Ukrainian side, too, but potentially for different reasons. The first being those doing ticktocks are getting killed. The ones who are left are more cautious. Likewise, some better security, opsec, could also be implemented. Likewise, there could be far, far less successes to report. This could be a sign of Ukraine losing.

8. Kiev stands. Mariupol, Kharkov and Sumy still have at least two rocks that stand on top of each other. The Russians have not taken them.

9. Ukraine is still bagging aircraft: more Su-34 down, it seems. The SEAD/DEAD missions are not going well. Based on videos, the Russians are also still flying nap of the earth. Given they ought to be outnumbering the Ukrainian aircraft...why? Send Su-30s or Su-35s as escorts to the Su-34s or Su-25s. What little the Ukrainians have left should be easily prey. And yet...

10. The sheer numbers of ATGMs and MANPADS in Ukraine now should cause anyone to pause. When this is all said and done, where will those go? That could get ugly eventually. Maybe. The MANPADS from Afghanistan back in the day (Russian turn in the arena) didn't seem to leak out too much. So long as the Ukrainians have people willing to take them up, this is going to be a headache for the Russians.

11. The Ukrainians had 66,000 men return to fight. They have had over 20,000 international volunteers show up. Many of the latter are very much experienced. This could prolong the war.

So, reading here, I really really don't think people get the rage Ukrainians have. It is incandescent. And there are 40 million of them. Many here say NATO will fight to the last Ukrainian. No, you don't get it. It will be the Ukrainians who will voluntarily fight to the last Ukrainian. I can hear the bull roar, "You came into my house..."

Yo my yo.

I give the Ukrainians about an 11 % chance to win. I do think they are doomed. They have fought after better and more fiercely than I would have believed. I think they are doomed. OTOH, I can see a couple scenarios where they could, well, not win but come out of the war intact, not under the Russian thumb or Finlandized.

Time will tell.

But the safe bet is still the Russian army.

2. The Russians are winning, but doing it pretty badly. The equipment losses continue [...] The Russian navy lost a warship!

Ukrainians boast to have hit a Russian warship using super lucky Grad shoots. And we are to believe this using some blurred footage of what looks like the Estonian registered Halt hitting an Ukrainian mine.

Sorry, not really buying it.

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MortyandRick

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It seems that Putin really did believe that the Ukrainian people would welcome Russian forces as liberators, and that the task of sweeping aside the present government and its armed forces could be accomplished both quickly and relatively painlessly. There are also indications that Russia has been surprised by the extent of the western economic sanctions that promise severe hardships in the months and years to come. These too are failures for which Putin and other elements of the decision-making apparatus should be held responsible.
I hear people say this a lot but i haven’t seen anything definitive regarding the Russians expecting a short and quick war with welcoming Ukrainians, except in Ukrainian and western media (which I take with a large pinch of salt).

Also even if Putin and the government officials expected this level of sanctions, would it have prevented them from initiating this war? I don’t think so. The stakes were too high.

One thing I do feel they should have done better was to have a step by step economic protection plan where they would have a response to every sanction and every withdrawn of western company that would be triggered immediately if the sanctions went through or if a company left Russia. I.e prepare union pay prior to the invasion, set up accounts at Chinese banks beforehand. Hold a large amount of yuan. Discuss how to continue trading with other nations in depth before this war. Then at least it would look like they prepared for the worst instead of just reactionary in their responses.
 

Temstar

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2. The Russians are winning, but doing it pretty badly. The equipment losses continue [...] The Russian navy lost a warship!

Ukrainians boast to have hit a Russian warship using super lucky Grad shoots. And we are to believe this using some blurred footage of what looks like the Estonian registered Halt hitting an Ukrainian mine.

Sorry, not really buying it.

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Isn't hitting a moving ship with rockets super difficult? I don't think Grad has any guided rockets available, other than the rare inertial guided rockets (which still can't target a ship properly).

I recall in
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, this was done with 300mm guided rockets and even then they didn't all land on target out of the several shots attempted, and the fact that they managed to hit the target at least once was considered a big deal at the time:
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I find it hard to believe that you can replicate this feat with Grad. Russian warships trailing smoke doesn't necessarily indicate damage: they sometimes do that on their own!
 

yongpengsuen

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Money is not a problem. Russia fought tooth and nail for years in WW2 despite heavy damage to Russian soil. Here there is no damage to Russian soil. Russia can simply print money to pay for military training in Ukraine.
 
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