Ukrainian War Developments

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lube

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You want me to believe Russian forces are getting decimated while they are surrounding Kiev and other major cities? and that PLA wolf opinion is fantasy?
Russians are underperforming. No doubt.

But people need to recognize the subtle wording and propaganda from what they read.
Some of it on purpose, some of it subconscious because they want Ukraine to win.
 

horse

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the opportunity is for china to be a signer of any armistice and a member on any arbitration board or similar adjudicating body for post war disputes between Russia and whoever their counterparty would be.

The aim is not to earn browny points. the political capital comes from more people having to secure your cooperation to get things they wanted done.

If europe has to secure chinese cooperation for mundane interaction with russia in eastern europe, china would have come our way ahead and it would be a huge set back for the US.

Thanks, but no thanks.

The Chinese communist do not enter these types of high stakes negotiations without having a reasonable chance of succeeding. Right now, is not the time.

Even though got to admit, China might step in at a later date. For example, China is willing to step into the fray, if France and Germany comes along.

Then of course, it is the elephant in the room, which is a NATO puppet and the unknown puppet master. Is Biden pulling the strings? No one knows.
 

pmc

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seems there will be talks in Turkey. Russia involve Turkey once they confident what they are getting out of it.
Westward looking Turkey but Eastward looking wealth is what Russia created in Libya. giving Turkey that enhance role.
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asif iqbal

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Russian have shown deficiencies in electronic jamming, precision weapons and command and control

also they seem not to be so sophisticated, they are not fighting as a unit with amour, infantry and air cover

what happened to the Russian Army ?

also why is the Air Force losing so many aircraft

army aviation also, today a Russian warship was hit out at sea in the Black Sea, where was the surveillance?

where is the co-ordinated attacks and tanks have no infantry

what exactly is Russia doing, why are these ambush teams getting so close to these convoys
 

sferrin

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Note that the US government did not give the same 'justification' that you have for the US invasion of Grenada.
So because I didn't parrot the published narrative I'm "spouting propaganda" huh? :rolleyes: And clearly if I DID parrot the most common reason then that would also be propaganda, right? Jesus, I was correct. Bye.
 

plawolf

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Russian have shown deficiencies in electronic jamming, precision weapons and command and control

also they seem not to be so sophisticated, they are not fighting as a unit with amour, infantry and air cover

what happened to the Russian Army ?

also why is the Air Force losing so many aircraft

army aviation also, today a Russian warship was hit out at sea in the Black Sea, where was the surveillance?

where is the co-ordinated attacks and tanks have no infantry

what exactly is Russia doing, why are these ambush teams getting so close to these convoys
What do you mean what happened? That’s how the Soviet and then Russian army always fought. Messy, overly aggressive, lacking subtlety and finesse, but undeniably effective and ultimately irresistible.

They just didn’t really improve as much as most were expecting/hoping.

But again, what we see being pumped and boosted on social media are just inconsequential skirmish level losses for the Russians at the end of the day. The Ukrainians are not winning any of the major battles that matter.
 

sferrin

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given that the US has unilaterally abrogated 3 US-Russia treaties which post-soviet Russia had relied on for the security of its status as a major nuclear power,
Which treaties were those? And please, don't trot out the ABM Treaty or INF Treaty. Everybody knows how those ended. The US left the ABM Treaty fully legally. (The Treaty itself allowed it. "The Treaty gave the Parties the right to withdraw from it with a six-month notice in the event of extraordinary circumstances that jeopardize their supreme interests (Article V). The United States withdrew from the Treaty in June 2002.") And Russia wantonly violated the INF Treaty with Iskander-K.
 

antiterror13

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Russian have shown deficiencies in electronic jamming, precision weapons and command and control

also they seem not to be so sophisticated, they are not fighting as a unit with amour, infantry and air cover

what happened to the Russian Army ?

also why is the Air Force losing so many aircraft

army aviation also, today a Russian warship was hit out at sea in the Black Sea, where was the surveillance?

where is the co-ordinated attacks and tanks have no infantry

what exactly is Russia doing, why are these ambush teams getting so close to these convoys

I think you read too much from Ukrainian or US medias which obviously very biased :rolleyes:
 
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