Ukrainian War Developments

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taxiya

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The twitter propagandist says
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Strangelove

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The United States was very inward-looking, lack of world influence and short of numbers in arms before joining WWII even though its GDP had a big margin over all other industrial nations. Yet it played the game well after it stepped in. With the material ground work there, one can play well any time when one hop in the game. It is just matter of opportunity, for the US WWII is that opportunity, for China it has not come yet, Ukraine crisis isn't it, it is just one of the many preludes.

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Indeed inward-looking, our friend armchair analyst probably couldn't locate Ukraine on the map until 12 days ago.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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idk if it’s been mentioned yet but LPR and DPR is actually a lot bigger. They only controlled like 50% of their claimed land. So the terms to recognize them will also mean they will double their controlled land and Ukraine will lose quite a sizeable chuck (seems like 5%) off the Eastern side.
True but this deal is still much better than I'd thought for Ukraine. It is the absolute minimum for Russian to be able to walk away with face and they still give up substantial gains on the ground in exchange for 2014-2015 borders (before Ukraine retook half of Donetsk and Lugansk).

If they don't take the deal now it is going to get worse not only in terms but for their infrastructure destruction. Right now there are still intact cities, the longer the fighting goes the worse the rebuilding would be.
 

AndrewS

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However, at the risk of offending much of the contingent here, I have to say Chinese diplomacy has been singularly inept at comprehending and adapting to the internal views, perceptions and political realities of other states, so China has little chance of being able to successful capitalize on this opportunity.

And what does this say about the US understanding Russia's point of view about NATO?

The case in point is the constant expansion of NATO which is aimed at Russia. The current crisis started with the "U.S. and Ukraine signing a Charter on Strategic Partnership, which asserted America’s support for Kyiv’s right to pursue membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization." on November 10th 2021. Afterwards, Russia mobilised its military and the US government believed that Putin was willing to go to war. Apparently the US government spent 3 months trying to convince China that Russia was actually going to invade. Why on earth didn't the US speak to Russia directly, if they believed Russia was deadly serious about an invasion?

This single failure of US diplomacy is bigger than every Chinese diplomatic failure in the past 30 years.

Sources below

wsj.com/amp/articles/cause-ukraine-war-robert-service-moscow-putin-lenin-stalin-history-communism-invasion-kgb-fsb-11646413200

nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine.html

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Remember that the US is used to throwing it's weight around without regard for anyone else, and creating its own reality that everyone else has to follow, because it was that powerful.

On the diplomatic side, I see Chinese diplomacy being far more sophisticated (and targeted) than the US. That starts with China posting diplomats who can actually speak the local language of the countries they are sent to.

Then we will have more situations where China creates realities that everyone else has to follow.
 

gelgoog

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Has anyone read this? Allegedly a report leaked via a Russian FSB secret service agent who calls the Ukraine war a "total failure"
Sounds like BS. I am not saying there is nothing true in that text. But the idea that whole focus of the operation was to capture Kiev and kill or capture Zelensky makes zero sense. Just look at the directions of offensive thrust. There was a single thrust towards Kiev and multiple thrusts in the Northeast, East, and South. In fact the main focus of the operation seems to be to take control of the Russian ethnic populated regions with Kiev being a secondary objective or feint. @plawolf already provided a good rationale for why the Russians went for the airport near Kiev. Which makes much more sense than this.
The article is also wrong in that the Russian government did announce a mobilization right when the war started. Less than 1/3rd of the active Russian Army is committed to the operation. The counter insurgency phase, when it begins, will also likely not be just Russian Army units but also Russian National Guard and MVD troops. The National Guard alone has around 350,000 troops.
 

Richard Santos

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Being realistic, there was no way China could have ever made its way into the US and it's allies, so not a failure, was never possible in the first place.

Also you wayyy overvalue 'diplomatic success' with them lol, and while yes US and it's allies are important in the world stage due to economics and military but they are that, important but nowadays not all important (their share in % dropping over these last years and decades).
And again, China is in fact doing pretty good diplomatically outside of US and it's allies (which it never had any hope of getting goodwil lol)
there is no realistic way because the chinese diplomatic corp either 1) still has no real fundamental understanding of how the political and economic system truly works and what the real interests and interactions of the players are, or 2) can’t put any such understanding into effective action because it would deviate from and reveal flaws in the communist party’s dogma, or the senior leadership’s perception about how things really work at upper levels in the world outside china.
 
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