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Lapin

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I agree China can play a great role here

also they should pump billions into Russia to stabilise the Russian economy, Russian wont forget the favour even after 100 years

also China should learn the lessons where Russia failed
I understand that China may need Russia as an ally against their common enemy, US imperialism.
But unconditional support of Russia is not in China's best interests.
China should not blindly tie its fate to whatever decisions are made in the Kremlin.

A Chinese officer was studying at a Soviet military academy when the USSR was invaded in 1941.
Like all his classmates, he suddenly was drafted into RKKA. He served as a staff officer with distinction,
being decorated and promoted (if I recall correctly) to about a lieutenant colonel (give or take a rank).
After the USSR had been nearly cleared of Axis invaders in 1944, he requested permission to return to China.
The Soviets liked him so much that he was offered Soviet citizenship and a permanent career in the army.
While he felt sad to part from his Soviet friends, he believed that his duty was to serve his motherland.
He served as a general in the Korean War. After the Sino-Soviet split, he fell under suspicion due to his past.
His family (which might have had few other sources of income) in China did receive his Soviet military pension.
 

FADH1791

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Defensive networks in Odessa; they’ve had over a week to prepare for a potential Russian invasion; volunteers and military personnel have been working day and night setting up fortifications.


Ukrainian naval infantry in the region have warned civilians to avoid littoral and coastal areas due to heavy mining.

Odessa is unlikely to capitulate without a fight.
Odessa, Khariv and Mauripol will be the cities that will have the bloodiest and intense fighting.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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No - if they did that it would only sow discontent towards Chinese amongst Russians. How Russians view Chinese is not much different from how the Europeans view Chinese.

Russia is not China's ally or friend. The two countries are just currently in a partnership of convenience due to common interests and perceived threats, mainly hegemonic Western imperialism. Russia would betray China the instant it would be in her advantage to do so. Don't forget, Russia has supplied advanced military equipment to just about every unfriendly neighbor that China has apart from Taiwan... even South Korea!

China must view Russia as a carefully managed partner rather than a strategic ally. Otherwise, China will only end up burnt in the end. Doubtlessly, in Putins mind, the USSR has suffered a betrayal from China in the Cold War and he would not hesitate to return the favor as long as it benefits him to do so.
What do you imagine is going to happen? Is Europe going to tell Russia, "You know what, China's just that dangerous and we need your help at all costs. Take Ukraine, take the Baltics, you want Poland? Let's throw that in too. Take half of Germany as well, just like old times." The "partnership of convenience" was how things stood 20 years ago. Today, China and Russia might as well be Siamese twins.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Russia is good to distract US/NATO and reduce pressure on China, but China can defend itself with or without Russia. China has nuclear weapons and soon #1 economy on earth, so US/NATO will not rob jackshit from China. If anything, Russia needs China way more than vice-versa.
This isn't a video game you play on hard mode to show how 133t you are. Russia is an important component of the new bloc China's putting together. The UK needs the US way more than vice-versa, and can defend itself far more easily without the UK than China can without Russia, is that a reason for the US to trash its alliance with the UK?
 

taxiya

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China must view Russia as a carefully managed partner rather than a strategic ally.
Sino-Ruso relationship is defined by China as 新时代全面战略协作伙伴关系, Full spectrum strategic "collaboration" partnership. It is the highest bilateral relationship in China's diplomacy. I don't know about the translation of 协作 to collaboration is accurate in English or not. But in Chinese definition it is a closer and fuller cooperation that involves one party to assist the other party's strategic objective and vis versa.

It is an alliance without the word "alliance". So in essence Russia and China are strategic allies. I am confident that the Chinese leadership knows what they are doing, so is the Russian leadership, and they are well aware of the histories.
 

FriedButter

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Alexander Mercouris latest video. He said the condition in Mariupol for the civilian population is terrible based on the news/report he had (Idk source). Apparently, some reports say there is no water or electricity alongside depleting food supplies that may last only a couple days (Alex said 1-2 days).
 
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