Ukrainian War Developments

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GodRektsNoobs

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windsclouds2030 said:
Just send all the captured mercenary for long serving growing agriculture in the Deep Far East of Russian Federation... they must do their physical labor to earn their meals every single day! No physical work no eating... minimum tenure of service is 10 years!

Russian people should be able to do something better and more humane than the water boarding and other cruel practices in the US Guantanamo camp and other CIA Rendition program detentions.
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Hell, send them to the uranium mines. Digging up potatoes is too soft to them.
 
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Richard Santos said:
there are 2 reasons. The first is obvious. Russia is much weaker today than Soviet Union was in 1947.


The second requires, for those brought up under a communist regime, a look at hard history that is not to orthodox communist liking,

The basis of the second is both Finland and ukraine was part of czarist Russian empire before the October revolution. However there the similarity in their experience with the Russians ended,

Even though the Fins were not fellow Slavs, they nonetheless a privileged minority under czarist Russian rule, because the fins supplied a disproportionate number of military officers, technocrats and bureaucrats to the czarist regime.

More importantly, Finland gained her independence with the fall of the czarist regime, and was able to retain her independence. So Finland was outside the Soviet Union during Stalin’s collectivization, so ordinary fins did not suffer the privation collectivization brought to much of USSR in 1920s and 1930s.

the only major bad experience the Fins had with the Russians were the result of the winter war in 1939-1940, and the continuation war in 1941-1945. The memory of these were bitter, but not as bitter as, for example, chinese memory of the Japanese invasion of 1937-1945.

contrast that with Ukrainian experience with the russians. Ukranians were under Russian domination, both czarist Russia and the Soviet Union, for much longer. When czarist Russians took over they immediately dispossessed much of Ukrainian nobility, for Ukrainians started under czarist Russia as an underclass, unlike the Fins.

although ukraine also briefly gained her independent]cd with the fall of the czarist regime, the independence was crushed by Lenin’s Bolsheviks very quickly, and ukraine returned to russian rule under the Soviet Union. Ukrainian farmers bitterly resisted Stalin’s collectivization efforts. Stalin ruthlessly in crushing this resistance By confiscating the harvests by force and leaving Ukrainian peasantry to starve, As a result, perhaps 25% of ukrainian peasantry starved to death. Ukrainian memory of this was bitter indeed. Equal to or or more bitter than Chinese memory of the Nanjing massacre and the Japanese “three-all” policy.

This bitter legacy is something communists do not admit because the degree of brutality the stalin committee would seem to discredit communism, but it is true.

this is a underlying reason why the Ukrainians are vat,y more hostile to accommodation with Russia than the Fins.
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There is a point to this. However, without USSR, Ukraine would just be agrian backwaters with no industry nor technology. Collectivization was not exclusive to Ukraine, but why do they insist that it is while ignoring the fact that key positions of Soviet leadership were held by Ukrainians across multiple generations? Not to mention a significant portions of Soviet industries and education/research facilities were in Ukraine, but they ran them into the ground after USSR collapsed.
 
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Laviduce said:
This insanity thing is getting really bad with some people in the west:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499542295426699266

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499516628278599681

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499579603781926912

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499577773148491788

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499574209567199235

The "masks" are coming off , so to speak.
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So much for respect for rule of law and human rights. Last I heard collective punishment was still against international law!
 
plawolf

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GodRektsNoobs said:
Brandon might have just helped Putin and his national security establishment by removing the last obstacles to total power.
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I was just going to add, it’s as funny as it is predicated that the west would fall on its core biases and lump all Russians into the same camp in its eagerness to ‘other’ and collective punish them.

But in its haste and desperation to be seen to be doing something, it may actually be helping Putin out by damaging his internal rivals and enemies by seizing assets they have squirrelled abroad that Putin couldn’t directly touch.

I would bet good money none of the oligarchs close to Putin and who support him got badly burnt. They might loose some illiquid assets like London Mansons and French vineyards and the like, but that’s pocket change next to the highly liquid assets they would have been able to save due to getting a little early warning.

This would not only weaken Putin’s internal rivals, it will probably push many more oligarchs who were previously on the fence to full heartily supporting Putin as they see his close allies survive relatively unscathed and see that support as a price worth paying to buy in so they are also similarly protected in future.
 
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aahyan said:
Those were the good times when an alcoholic and a sex maniac ruled the world.

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Clinton has a vivid description about how the Russians were treated as a defeated people after the end of the cold war. Boris Yeltsin was served dish of shit one after another by America. "here is another dish, Boris". Clinton didn't like it, but he didn't do anything to stop it.
 
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