Ukrainian War Developments

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enroger

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Estonian vessel “HV Helt” has sunk in the Black Sea today after reportedly hitting a naval mine of unknown origin.

1 Sailor Dead
4 Injured

There are unconfirmed reports that claim Russian naval forces were forcing the ship to act as a shield against anti-ship weapons.

Bangladeshi vessel “Banglar Samriddhi” was struck by an anti-ship missile today while anchored off the port of Oktyabrsk; the ship was allegedly hit by Russian anti-ship missiles.


Since the beginning of the conflict this has been the sixth and seventh commercial vessel that’s been hit by a weapons systems; the Ukrainians hit a Russian flagged cargo vessel while the Russians have attacked Moldovan, Turkish, Romanian, Estonian, and Japanese commercial vessels, seizing an additional two Ukrainian flagged ships earlier this week.

Were there Ukrainian naval asset nearby that Russian might be shooting at?
 

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News or new videos on the war has seem to decreased in the last couple of days.

Doesn’t look like Russia plans to assault Kiev yet. Possible that they are simply building up logistics as they wait for exodus of civilians.
My 2 penneth on this is that I do not see the "Huge Convoy" we keep hearing about, as the strike force intended to take the Capital, but rather this is the force that will move into place linking the Northern force with the Southern and keep the resulting Encirclement firmly in place.

I cannot think of any other reason why a force of that size would simply be sitting and waiting.
 

meckhardt98

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Were there Ukrainian naval asset nearby that Russian might be shooting at?
No the Ukrainian navy was completely destroyed by Russian forces in the opening hours of the initial invasion; they may have thought that it could have been an Ukrainian merchant vessel however that would still be a civilian target non the less. As for the Estonian ship its likely to hit a Russian mine.
 

gelgoog

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Well, the commercial ship situation is a bit of a mess really. Since the Russians have Bastion-P in Crimea and the Ukrainians have Neptune you would need an investigation to find out. Russia's Black Sea ports is where grain is loaded onto ships. So unless they can clean up that area in a moderate amount of time it could pose a huge problem in terms of global food supplies. But then again I don't think harvesting season is coming any time soon. Perhaps coal shipments would be more of an issue.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Thank you. I appreciate that. I really appreciate that. I feared the worst.



I am going to say something that will not be popular: Ukraine will have to be utterly crushed to give up. I am sure that will come (91% sure at least). Even then, we will see partisans for years. This will be long, bloody and vicious. As determined as the Russians are, the Ukrainians are just as much.

There is no easy out. There will be no acceptance. This isn't a Disney fairy tale. This is Ukrainian and those almost never have happy endings from my experience.

I could also be wrong. I have been before and will be again.
Ukraine is a story of tragedy. Ukraine was once the core of the Soviet Union. It was almost more core than Russia itself. All 3 major Cold War Soviet leaders were Ukrainian: Khrushchev and Brezhnev were both full Ukrainian, Gorbachev was mixed Ukrainian and Russian. In the Soviet days, Ukraine had higher GDP per capita than Russia.

After the end of the Cold War, Ukraine fell on hard times. While Russia still has their resources, defense and nukes, Ukraine was left with the industry. Due to shock therapy and attempts to integrate with the west, their industrial base became uncompetitive and unable to function. So while Russia itself slowly crawled back as a resource, arms and energy (both the actual energy and the infrastructure like pipelines, reactors, petrochemical, etc) provider, Ukraine had nothing as it's industrial base fell apart due to lack of business. This economic situation less to political radicalization, which drove further instability, which led to 2014, which led to today.

The only country harder hit by the Soviet collapse could be North Korea. Ukraine went from basically ruling Russia to being a basket case overnight.
 
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