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[pmc]

Every bit helps, right?

Is it really a logistical issue though? From what I understand, this is happening due to sanctions and seizing of Afghan assets.

If it's a payment issue, China should be able to work something out.

are there any Chinese citizen of afghan decent that can manage projects on behalf of Chinese firms. otherwise Chinese will have to create joint ventures with other countries to reduce risk. Chinese need to create global educated and well trained population from all regions and those people need to have assets in China.

Uzbek labor is bulding Kamaz trucks. i am sure if Afghan had same Soviet time education. they will be easily obsorbed.

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[SanWenYu]

So what happens next year when the same number if not more Afghans need food aid again?

The fundamental problem is that Afghanistan doesn’t have anything sustainable to offer China in terms of fair economic exchange.

Any mineral rights sold would be immediately claimed as exploitation and subject to terrorist attack by US and Indian sponsored terrorists.

Without a sustainable economic basis for trade, China cannot keep feeding 30m Afghans for free forever. And the moment China stops providing aid, the west will blame all famine deaths in Afghanistan thereafter on ‘Chinese cruelty’.

China stepping in is America’s wet dream so they can easily shift their own guilt and crimes onto China’s shoulders.

China can and has offered humanitarian aid. But it is not China’s responsibility to make good America’s deliberately created humanitarian disaster in Afghanistan. And with American weaponising everything under the sun against China. It would be dangerous for China to do more.

I agree with you on the concerns. But China cannot just watch the Afghans starving to death. When being better off, lending a hand to your neighbour in need is a moral responsibility.

It is not an easy task for sure. And it needs to be carried out mindfully. But I think it is doable and China should do it.

Instead of shouldering all the weights alone, China should lead a global effort. The first job is to raise global awareness on what have happened and why the Afghans are starving. China should push the UN to declare that Afganistan is in urgent humanitarian crisis.

While holding the US and its NATO allies accountable for the humanitarian disaster in Afghanistan, China should challenge the rich western countries on food and medical supply donations.

Upon request by the Afghan government, be it Taliban or not, China will then lead an international peacekeeping force for humanitarian aid distribution. In addition to China, most members of this peacekeeping force should naturally come from the other neighouring countries: Iran, Pakistan, the central Asian countries, and Russia. This can be a great opportunity for Russia and Afganistan to reconcile.

Even India can be invited to join the peacekeeping force. As long as China keeps the control, why not? The more help, the better for the Afghans.

If China really wants to make it a stage for global cooperation, it can also invite countries outside of the region. The Gulf countries certainly love their Muslim brothers and sisters. The morally high up EU would be ashamed if it just stands on the side so China should give Brussels an invite, too.

Logistically, majority of the aid supply will come from sea through Pakistan. The transportation can use the ports and roads built for the Sino-Pakistan economic corridor. A perfect stage for showcasing the BRI.

If the european countries participate, urgent and high value goods from the west can go through Iran's air space. It will also be an chance to ease tensions.

If China can pull this off, it will pay off greatly. First and the most important return, it will restore peace and order in the region. Economically, it will expand BRI to Afghanistan, a key geographical hub position for BRI. Last but not the least, it will also raise China's reputation as the go-to player in international affairs.

 

[emblem21]

Ukraine has a competitive spirit it may not have what it takes today but not at the phase it is developing the defense industry and a possible future nuclear state and in the next war they will not fight for survival but for hegemony in the area and perhaps even a conquest. Tables will change with time and Ukraine has time on it's side

Ukraine has little time on its side if it cannot fix their gas problems along with everything else including the fact that this nation is the poorest country in Europe. Their is so much wrong with your statement that I don’t know w to even begin. The fact that the USA is sucking up ever resource they have and figuratively leaving to nothing but second gen weapons to basically commit suicide means that hope is all but gone. The only hope for Ukraine is to rejoin Russia and help them bring vengeance on the USA to which then it will be the USA that will the one to face the music.

 

[solarz]

So what happens next year when the same number if not more Afghans need food aid again?

The fundamental problem is that Afghanistan doesn’t have anything sustainable to offer China in terms of fair economic exchange.

Any mineral rights sold would be immediately claimed as exploitation and subject to terrorist attack by US and Indian sponsored terrorists.

Without a sustainable economic basis for trade, China cannot keep feeding 30m Afghans for free forever. And the moment China stops providing aid, the west will blame all famine deaths in Afghanistan thereafter on ‘Chinese cruelty’.

China stepping in is America’s wet dream so they can easily shift their own guilt and crimes onto China’s shoulders.

China can and has offered humanitarian aid. But it is not China’s responsibility to make good America’s deliberately created humanitarian disaster in Afghanistan. And with American weaponising everything under the sun against China. It would be dangerous for China to do more.

I can't agree with that. Afghanistan has plenty of sustainable economic resources that can be used to trade for necessities. Why should China care about any US claims of exploitation?

The actual issue, as you brought up, is security. China is not going to step into that minefield, so the Afghanistan government needs to ensure security in Afghanistan before any investments are considered.

However, that is a future consideration. The more immediate consideration is helping the Afghan people through the current difficulty, and I think China both can and should take the leadership on this effort.

 

[victoon]

I can't agree with that. Afghanistan has plenty of sustainable economic resources that can be used to trade for necessities. Why should China care about any US claims of exploitation?

The actual issue, as you brought up, is security. China is not going to step into that minefield, so the Afghanistan government needs to ensure security in Afghanistan before any investments are considered.

However, that is a future consideration. The more immediate consideration is helping the Afghan people through the current difficulty, and I think China both can and should take the leadership on this effort.

I mostly agree with this sentiment. in addition to your points,
1) you don't need a lot of food to cover the gap of a starving nation of only 30 million people. and there are other helps as well from the oil rich countries.
2) you make the best friends when you reach out during time of extreme duress. We have to give credit where it's due to the US' Marshall fund, which cemented a lot of their alliances that they still benefit, even though a bit past due. We helped Africa and Hungary during the deep hole of cultural revolution. Sure we could have used the money ourselves. But you can't deny that those friendships have really endured. pretty incredible head start. Who could haven't thought these relationships could have given us so much.
3) the US money was mostly sunk in the bottomless pit of military intervention and nation building. most of that money was pocketed by American contractors. Very different types of cost from helping with a food crisis.

 

[Overbom]

The first job is to raise global awareness on what have happened and why the Afghans are starving. China should push the UN to declare that Afganistan is in urgent humanitarian crisis.

Why would the UN care. Too much theatrics, takes time, and little action. Better for China to mobilise SCO which has countries directly threatened by a destabilized Afghanistan, and Gulf Countries. All these countries have skin in the game which should be enough for them to open the checkbook (especially oil countries..) and act quickly.

If we add any western country then expect to be delayed by their idiotic and slow bureaucracy and US sabotage.

 

[Abominable]

I agree with you on the concerns. But China cannot just watch the Afghans starving to death. When being better off, lending a hand to your neighbour in need is a moral responsibility.

It is not an easy task for sure. And it needs to be carried out mindfully. But I think it is doable and China should do it.

Instead of shouldering all the weights alone, China should lead a global effort. The first job is to raise global awareness on what have happened and why the Afghans are starving. China should push the UN to declare that Afganistan is in urgent humanitarian crisis.

While holding the US and its NATO allies accountable for the humanitarian disaster in Afghanistan, China should challenge the rich western countries on food and medical supply donations.

Upon request by the Afghan government, be it Taliban or not, China will then lead an international peacekeeping force for humanitarian aid distribution. In addition to China, most members of this peacekeeping force should naturally come from the other neighouring countries: Iran, Pakistan, the central Asian countries, and Russia. This can be a great opportunity for Russia and Afganistan to reconcile.

Even India can be invited to join the peacekeeping force. As long as China keeps the control, why not? The more help, the better for the Afghans.

If China really wants to make it a stage for global cooperation, it can also invite countries outside of the region. The Gulf countries certainly love their Muslim brothers and sisters. The morally high up EU would be ashamed if it just stands on the side so China should give Brussels an invite, too.

Logistically, majority of the aid supply will come from sea through Pakistan. The transportation can use the ports and roads built for the Sino-Pakistan economic corridor. A perfect stage for showcasing the BRI.

If the european countries participate, urgent and high value goods from the west can go through Iran's air space. It will also be an chance to ease tensions.

If China can pull this off, it will pay off greatly. First and the most important return, it will restore peace and order in the region. Economically, it will expand BRI to Afghanistan, a key geographical hub position for BRI. Last but not the least, it will also raise China's reputation as the go-to player in international affairs.

I don't have any problem with humanitarian aid - food, basic medical supplies. But ultimately Afghanistan isn't China's responsibility to fix. Supporting Afghanistan on the international front - the illegal seizure of Afghan state assets, lack of UN recognition and an investigation of the war crimes during the occupation.

Having Chinese troops in Afghanistan would be a big mistake in my opinion. Support them diplomatically and with humanitarian aid but thats it.

The west will have to fix Afghanistan whether they like it or not. The reason they invaded was because it became a terrorist hotbed, stealing their assets and leaving them to starve (after 20 years of committing war crimes) is only going to result in the same situation as pre 9/11 if not worse.

 

[Hadoren]

Is there any proof there are actually millions of starving Afghans?

To me this seems like Xinjiang Genociiiiiide, Version Afghanistannnnnn!

The Western media continuously says that millions of Afghans are starving. But they never provide any real evidence. No pictures, no videos, no nothing. Just BBC articles saying that 10 million Uyghurs - sorry I mean Afghans - are starving.

Famine should be easy to prove. Show me videos of groups of starving Afghans. Show me the new mass graves, like we saw with COVID. I'll wait.

 

[Overbom]

Is there any proof there are actually millions of starving Afghans?

To me this seems like Xinjiang Genociiiiiide, Version Afghanistannnnnn!

The Western media continuously says that millions of Afghans are starving. But they never provide any real evidence. No pictures, no videos, no nothing. Just BBC articles saying that 10 million Uyghurs - sorry I mean Afghans - are starving.

Famine should be easy to prove. Show me videos of groups of starving Afghans. Show me the new mass graves, like we saw with COVID. I'll wait.

I don't know if there any videos but the UN has released a report about the humanitarian crisis. China has also strongly supported Afghanistan in this issue

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[China's permanent representative to the UN] Zhang likened the adopting of the resolution to fixing a blocked faucet. However, to fill in the pipe with water needs global efforts. According to a UN report published in October, 22.8 million Afghans will face a crisis or emergency levels of severe food insecurity from November 2021 and March 2022, a 35 percent increase over the same period last year.

The Afghan economy is severely illiquid and on the verge of collapse, said Zhang, "China again calls for the early unfreezing of Afghan overseas assets."

Zhang pointed out that humanitarian aid is only an immediate solution, while helping Afghanistan to develop its economy is the fundamental way.

 

[Abominable]

Is there any proof there are actually millions of starving Afghans?

To me this seems like Xinjiang Genociiiiiide, Version Afghanistannnnnn!

The Western media continuously says that millions of Afghans are starving. But they never provide any real evidence. No pictures, no videos, no nothing. Just BBC articles saying that 10 million Uyghurs - sorry I mean Afghans - are starving.

Famine should be easy to prove. Show me videos of groups of starving Afghans. Show me the new mass graves, like we saw with COVID. I'll wait.

The concern what will happen not whats happening now. Afghanistan has been cut off economically and lacks agriculture to feed themselves. I don't think there will be a famine, but there will be under nutrition and malnutrition.