Riots are not pro-China, just because they are anti-Russian does not mean they are pro-China. Multiple leaders of the riots have made statements of following the "European model", and "creating a Nordic-like Kazakhstan". SCO charter dictates SCO does not interfere with its member state's internal affairs, only CSTO could intervene according to the CST article 4. The disruption of the Sino-Euro railway in Kazakhstan could only mean troubles for China. The riots are supported by various extremists and liberal groups, which China is not fan of.
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My thoughts on the Kazakhstan riots
Please pay more attention on what i am writing. I never said that the riots are pro-China. However the Kazakh Government will eventually turn towards China to recover economically from the destruction caused by the rioters.
All this is based on my belief that the rioters will fail and the government will win, in which case the gov will need economic help asap in order to stabilise the situation
I also want to become an astronaut and go to space. My wish is more likely to become reality than theirs...
I dont understand why you wrote that. I didn't mention SCO anywhere. Kazakhstan is in Russian sphere of influence. China will sit back and let Russia deal with this mess (I fully believe that Russia will sort it out successfully)
True, which is why I wrote "as long as it [Kazakhstan] wont get destabilised". Russia is getting involved now which means that this scenario has become less likely to happen
Certainly. But that's Russia's job to sort it out. Russia constantly wants to have security influence in Central Asia while denying China advances. Now that something has happened, let them deal with it then.
What is China supposed to gain by getting involved in this mess when it is certain that Russia will solve this problem?
Kazakhstan stability is important to prevent instability in Xinjiang
We want to have Nordic model and lifestyle but don't you dare raising the gas price.
Sure....
Even though they are a part of the SCO, the SCO will not intervene and china will not intervene publicly. I am sure behind closed doors, china is monitoring the situation along the xinjiang border closely.
These were never just rioters but well organized coup plotters. How else could they ransack military outposts, get heavy weapons, take over police stations and airports so quickly with no organization. They also beheaded 3 security officers. These are not run of the mill protesters. Imagine people like this going into Xinjiang. Thank goodness the Chinese have very strict border control in Xinjiang.
As I mentioned yesterday, I am not surprised there is a heavy response right now and Russia has already deployed troops. This needs to be suppressed quickly and it seems their response is quite quick, I do feel that the current govt has the advantage now. They allowed the protesters to show their true “Colors” by showed ransacked businesses, fires, looting, and injuring law enforcement at the same time acquiescing to protester demands. Once the agitators continued to wreck havoc, they came down hard. With CSTO support, the Govt will have the advantage.
Once the dust settles, I would not be surprised if there will be even less of an opposition now than before. And if kazakstan is sanctioned, they will rely more on China And Russia.
This played out in Belarus, Syria, Iran, HK, etc. I think these countries with Russia and china should get together and develop ways to counter theses types of coups. There must be a better way.
Remember the map. what do you think what will happen after it.
This happens when he thinks German economic/engineering power all he needs. but Germany thinks that world can be controlled through Anatolia. and both have egg on there face. even higher input prices and jeopardizing investments/constructions contracts.
This happens when he thinks German economic/engineering power all he needs. but Germany thinks that world can be controlled through Anatolia. and both have egg on there face. even higher input prices and jeopardizing investments/constructions contracts.
What in the world? Since when did the population of Kazakhstan were of Nordic descent or were part of Europe before, during, and after the control of the Golden Hordes...
The western NGO's that purports to promote democracy, human rights are nothing but cancer to these countries and should have been kicked out from every single countries a long time ago. They absolutely do nothing but cause trouble, sows and foment internal strife and racial disunity amongst various ethnic groups in any countries these cancerous organizations latched themselves into.
Why are they even allowed to proliferate anywhere and everywhere is a mystery to me.
What lifestyle is that? These people should travel outside of their country and see the world, especially Nordic countries to witness for themselves if the situations on the ground is what they're truly aiming for. That means they'll have to accept immigration, open citizenship, competition for jobs and labours etc...I don't think those people are fully aware what's going to be asked for in return.
It seems that most people anywhere in the world wants comfort in exchange for absolutely nothing. They're asking no demanding to have their cakes and eat it too.
They for sure hate their oligarchs now but they will definitely hate their oligarchs more when they're country is going to get butt ape from the new class of oppressors from their beloved and fantasized "Nordic Europe." They should check out Romania, Latvia, Kosovo, Bulgaria, and other piss poor eastern European countries that are part of the E.U. to see the paradise they're living under.
As I previously stated, NGO's from the west that are stationed in countries that are either neutral or positive towards China, Russia etc..must root out those groups if they really want to preserve, protect, and promote their countries economic vitality. Otherwise, expect to be dismembered, be removed from office by crook or by force from not playing the Washington consensus.
The 4-step plan to make you consent to war against China
Examination shows that the crisis that the Western military forces are stepping up to fight barely exists
Words like “Hitler”, “genocide”, and “concentration camp” are being used deliberately in a multi-faceted campaign to demonize the Chinese in the most extreme way
One day an obituary will be written for the “Uyghur genocide” lie and shame should follow, says a top geopolitical analyst in the first of a three-part series.
“The way wars are reported in the western media follows a depressingly predictable pattern: stage one, the crisis; stage two, the demonization of the enemy’s leader; stage three, the demonization of the enemy as individuals; and stage four, atrocities.” Phillip Knightley, author of The First Casualty, quoted in the Guardian
Examination shows that the crisis that the Western military forces are stepping up to fight barely exists
Words like “Hitler”, “genocide”, and “concentration camp” are being used deliberately in a multi-faceted campaign to demonize the Chinese in the most extreme way
One day an obituary will be written for the “Uyghur genocide” lie and shame should follow, says a top geopolitical analyst in the first of a three-part series.
“The way wars are reported in the western media follows a depressingly predictable pattern: stage one, the crisis; stage two, the demonization of the enemy’s leader; stage three, the demonization of the enemy as individuals; and stage four, atrocities.” Phillip Knightley, author of The First Casualty, quoted in the Guardian
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They can have a million stages, but they'll never dare to wage war against China.