Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Tyler

Captain
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You @Tyler how's your MrNA business doing bruh...I hope your vaccine index investments has some inactivated made vaccines in it otherwise it'll go kaput. But all joking aside, we should all hope and pray that the world will get through this new strain for the sake of humanity otherwise we're all wrecked.
How about Sinovac and Sinopharm? Are they effective against the new variant? How about local Chinese mRNA vaccine trials?
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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Man the West has screwed over the world with their covid handling. First they hoard all the vaccines, and then they leave the poor countries without protection.

Expectably, covid rips through the population and eventually proceeds to create this Frankenstein of variant who has combined dozens of the previous mutations

Now, they will produce new "super" vaccines, and as usual hoard them for themselves. Then a new variant will come from poor countries etc

Useless and incompetent Western countries can't think and act based on the overall good of the world. Only solution is for China to have enough production to cover the whole world's population

/rant over
It's because the U.S. and the U.S. alone has decided to POLITICIZE this existential issue from the word GO. The U.S. is incapable of actually showing and exercising TRUE LEADERSHIP, it's people has become unhinged and uncontrollable, essentially become selfish A...LES and their leaders are rudderless and morally depraved. Their desire to HURT CHINA AND STOP CHINA'S RISE NO MATTER THE COST has been their undoing and in the process has caused TREMENDOUS DAMAGED to the world.

The U.S. only tool right now is it's PROPAGANDA USE of DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS that has nothing to do with able to EFFECTIVELY FIGHTING, CONTAINING, AND STOPPING the spread of COVID-19 Virus. Every measure taken, every speech given they invoke the two most useless unscientific b.s. words at every opportunity to the detriment and death of it's own people. The resulting confusion fostered CHAOS and Rebellion amongst it's people and from that chaos is the very attractive and potent misinformation about the virus and the whole vaccination mistrust that's been exported to the western world.

The playbook that the U.S. used during their cold War battle with the U.S.S.R. has been exposed as nothing more than just a series of P.R. gimmicks and the self-defeating attitude and actions by the U.S.S.R. that were used against her. The fact that the world has access to the internet thereby allowing people from siphoning information from whichever political silos of media they prefer has in my opinion diluted the overall effectiveness of the American Pravda. The whole speechifying that's been used in the U.S. media as proof of their vigor and strength of the power of America has been shown to be nothing but shallow and empty words likened to a sales pitch from a used car salesman.

Instead of fostering a whole world wide effort in combating this plague and scourge, the U.S. in all it's wisdom and arrogance decided to essentially say F..it we'll blame China and continue to hammer China for everything assuming that it's own actions will pay dividend in the short term; after all, long term thinking is for LOSERS. Ask Trump.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
Which movie scene is that?

However, reading the past few pages, I think you guys are somehow too anti-west. Just a friendly remind, we are international forum, no hatred, no discrimination. Further, following the vaccination accident I reported a few days ago, there were totally 4 fatalities as of today, and there is another similar accident yesterday in Bac Giang province of Vietnam. This time the victims are students age between 12 and 17 and the vaccine in question is Pfizer. No fatality report so far.
It's from WWZ (Brad Pitt)...and as for your commentary that some of us are being too anti-west or becoming one it's really difficult not too sound like one or at least out of sheer exhaustion and frustration not to be one.

After all the many years of being indoctrinated that everything in the west (culture, science, politics, genetic supremacy) led by America are inherently superior to any civilization that preceded it and their way is the only path to salvation, accepting these tenets as gospel shedding our own identities (anglicized our names, adopting western values, culture etc.) And without question or hesitation. Only to slowly realize later on (at least for myself) that much of what I have been taught to believe was in my opinion total b.s. and seeing how the western world has always behaved with certain arrogance, hubris, and the total assumptions that only they has the answer and solutions to everything. And that anything outside their prescribe solutions are going to be treated as heresy only to be shown in today's climate and world that that's not the actual case. There are other solutions or alternative to their dogmatic world views but in order to adopt or even to contemplate of using an alternative will invoke a civilizational clash or regime change tells anyone with a clear sober mind that there's something wrong with the picture. That the Matrix is controlled by the west and taking the Red Pill will actually liberate one's mindset from the Cage imposed by Western prison and that behind all the facade of Freedom and Human Rights mean the opposite of that which is actually subjugation and degradation of anyone's cultural civilization.

My anger is actually sadness realizing that a lot of these hokey b.s. about rights are all designed for one thing and one thing only is the continued domination and control of the west to the rest of the world. It's a bit long winded and goofy comparing the situation to the Matrix but in my opinion Neo is China and the Matrix, sentinels, machines represent the anglosphere led by the U.S.
 

windsclouds2030

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China expected to approve country's 1st COVID-19 drug by year-end (Global Times, 2021-11-15)

Trials show 78% efficacy in reducing hospitalization, death rate

Chinese researchers are rolling out a number of remedies specific for COVID-19 treatment as the world races into the third phase of the anti-epidemic fight characterized by a COMBINATION of accessible vaccines and DRUGS.

Among drug producers in China, a neutralizing monoclonal antibody combination therapy is expected to become the first in the country to get approval for market use in December. It's also likely to be the first to receive emergency use authorization in developed countries such as the US.

The combination therapy is co-developed by Tsinghua University, the Third People's Hospital of Shenzhen and Brii Biosciences, a company that has dual headquarters in China and the US.

Tao Lina, an expert on immunology, told the Global Times that the theory of neutralizing antibody-based therapies is to use the antibody in the medicines to neutralize the virus.

Brii Biosciences announced in late August that its SARS-CoV-2 therapy BRII-196/BRII-198 demonstrated a statistically significant reduction of 78 percent in the hospitalization and death in phase III clinical trials conducted in the US, Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, Argentina and the Philippines.

It is most likely for the therapy to be authorized for emergency use in the US, the Science and Technology Daily report said, citing a source from Brii.

The phase III clinical trials are being led by China's top respiratory expert Zhong Nanshan and being conducted in Guangzhou and Shenzhen, South China's Guangdong Province, as well as Nanjing and Yangzhou, East China's Jiangsu Province, and have delivered exciting results, media reported in August.

The therapy has also proven effective against major coronavirus variants, including the Delta, Lambda and MU variants, the Beijing Daily reported.

The R&D team of the drug submitted application to the National Medical Products Administration on October 9 and is expected to be approved for marketing by the end of December.

The company has invested $100 million to get the drug ready for marketing in China, the US and other countries, Brii Biosciences' Chief Financial Officer announced in September. It has applied to the US Food and Drug Administration for emergency use authorization.

By far, China has deployed three technical routes in developing COVID-specific drugs - blocking virus entry into cells, inhibiting virus replication and adjusting the human immune system. The three approaches have their respective advantages and strategies in dealing with the coronavirus.

Zhang Yuntao, a vice president and chief scientist of Sinopharm subsidiary China National Biotec Group, previously told the Global Times that the group's COVID-19 drug based on human immunoglobulin would soon be put into a clinical trial in the United Arab Emirates.

The drug has already been used in recent flare-ups across China and it has proved to have a good therapeutic effect.
Another medicine of the group based on monoclonal antibodies has also showed good neutralizing effects on the COVID-19 virus in experiments and is undergoing the procedure to obtain clinical trial approval from the Chinese authorities, according to Zhang.

Kintor, a clinical-stage biotechnology company, also reportedly obtained approval in September for two phase III clinical trial projects on its small-molecule compound drug Pukru amine with Chinese authorities. The two projects would be conducted in various countries and regions including China, the US, India and Europe.

Zeng Guang, former Chief Epidemiologist of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, noted that currently countries are passing through the second phase of the epidemic prevention and control and are entering the Third Phase, where other measures need to be combined with vaccination, the 21st Century Business Herald reported in November 8.

Commenting on those who hold the opinion that vaccines are no longer needed once the COVID-19 drugs are rolled out, medical experts warned that it is "a dangerous misconception." Either in preventing infection or in reducing the rate of severe symptoms or death, there are no substitutes for vaccines. "Therapeutic drugs and vaccines are not conflicting but complementary," said Ding Sheng, dean of the School of Pharmacy at Tsinghua University.

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B.I.B.

Captain
I am not well versed with vaccine technologies

Does the above mean that mRNA vaccines could potentially not work, or work with reduced effectiveness? And that also mean that inactivated virus vaccine is unaffected?

Would appreciate if someone could explain the consequences of this new variant to different vaccines technologies
A New York Times article
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mentions a situation in Botswana where four people who had been double vaccinated and were about to travel had come down with the new variant. It does not mention what vaccine was used.

From what I was able to find, Botswana uses four vaccines Moderna, Pfizzer, AZ, and Covidshield which is essentially an Indian AZ.

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