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Colonel
Lol, China's "Genocide". In comparison, the American Natives don't even have any idea of how their forebears dress, not to mention having no inkling of their own mother tongue.

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Opening gala of sixth ethnic minority art festival held in Beijing


Artists stage a performance at an opening gala of the sixth ethnic minority art festival in Beijing, capital of China, Aug. 31, 2021. The opening gala of the sixth ethnic minority art festival was held in Beijing on Tuesday evening. (Xinhua/Li Xiang)

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ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
Sure, NFU policy will surely hold if PLA is losing a conventional war...
Even if China were losing a conventional war and it used nuclear weapons in response - for example if the Chinese mainland suffers devastation it may respond with nuclear strikes on its opponent's territory to equalize the devastation - that would be fully in keeping with NFU. NFU is about the scale of destruction to trigger a nuclear response, not the physics of the weapons.

What does any of this have to do with virtue signalling?

This discussion doesn't belong in this thread. If you'd like to continue it, you should do so in the appropriate thread.
 

DarkStar

Junior Member
Registered Member
The last time vietnam relied on an outsider non Asian power- the soviets- to help it against china, it got roundly pulverised in the Sino-Viet war and the soviets did naught but sit back.
And that's how it would be as well with the anglos as they did in A-stan and in the fall of saigon.
 

DarkStar

Junior Member
Registered Member
Australia is forcing its people to have a social credit system; when an anglo accuses you of something, chances are he's doing it 10 times worse.

Not to mention new laws that will have the Australian police be able to go into your social media and edit and change details; they could basically doctor evidence against you.

The anglos are in war mode, preparing to stifle dissent against any potential war against China.

Basically, this sums up the entirety of anglo-Chinese relations:

If an anglo is losing, they will resort to violence.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Are we talking about CN or US? We already know US shameless virtue signaling nonsense lol
There is no need for a question, you were talking about China and I brought US in the talk in #18,541 on purpose because in my recollection you have never demonstrated in this forum what you would find "funny" in US "shameless virtue signalling". That is "selective judgement". Without that I would not bother to get in the argument with you to begin with.
 

escobar

Brigadier
There is no need for a question, you were talking about China and I brought US in the talk in #18,541 on purpose because in my recollection you have never demonstrated in this forum what you would find "funny" in US "shameless virtue signalling". That is "selective judgement". Without that I would not bother to get in the argument with you to begin with.
Rhetorical question, you miss it. Selective judgement? The forum and the whole world already know about US "shameless virtue signalling". There are lengthy discussions about it here every day. But it is ineffective to talk and talk about US flaws just for an opposite useless signalling posture. How to exploit that in a machiavellian way and seeing CN doing "effective virtue signaling" not "useless virtue signaling" is what interest me.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Sure, NFU policy will surely hold if PLA is losing a conventional war...

If you are loosing in a conventional war, escalating to nuclear is only going to make you loose that much harder when your nuclear forces are only a fraction the size of you opponent’s.

Chinese nuclear build up is to ensure America doesn’t get tempted to resort to nuclear blackmail or even actual tactical nuclear use when they are the ones loosing in a conventional war against China.

China’s priorities are pretty simple and logical.

There is no point building up a vast nuclear force at the expense of your conventional forces because then not only will you struggle to defence said nuclear arsenal, your nuclear last resort also becomes your first response since your conventional forces won’t stand a chance. That leaves you wide open to salami slicing until you got no red lines left. As the following sketch very cleverly illustrates.


By first building up conventional forces, China is laying the foundation needed to both defend its future nuclear arsenal, but also giving itself an infinitely greater range of actually deployable military options in the interim while at the same time not overtaxing its economy as would have been the case had it tried to purse both conventional and nuclear build up at the same time early in its development.

Now that China has its basics covered, it is moving on to filling in this last gap, which was judged as an acceptable gamble since even though Chinese nuclear forces were clearly inferior, they were still powerful enough to achieve credible minimal deterrence.
 

escobar

Brigadier
If you are loosing in a conventional war, escalating to nuclear is only going to make you loose that much harder when your nuclear forces are only a fraction the size of you opponent’s.

Chinese nuclear build up is to ensure America doesn’t get tempted to resort to nuclear blackmail or even actual tactical nuclear use when they are the ones loosing in a conventional war against China.

China’s priorities are pretty simple and logical.

There is no point building up a vast nuclear force at the expense of your conventional forces because then not only will you struggle to defence said nuclear arsenal, your nuclear last resort also becomes your first response since your conventional forces won’t stand a chance. That leaves you wide open to salami slicing until you got no red lines left. As the following sketch very cleverly illustrates.


By first building up conventional forces, China is laying the foundation needed to both defend its future nuclear arsenal, but also giving itself an infinitely greater range of actually deployable military options in the interim while at the same time not overtaxing its economy as would have been the case had it tried to purse both conventional and nuclear build up at the same time early in its development.

Now that China has its basics covered, it is moving on to filling in this last gap, which was judged as an acceptable gamble since even though Chinese nuclear forces were clearly inferior, they were still powerful enough to achieve credible minimal deterrence.
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