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[Xizor]

In what ways are Afghan women "objectively" better under the US occupation than under the Taliban? What measures? Life expectancy? Literacy? Happiness Index? Purchasing Power?

Remember that since you are saying "For the Afghans under occupation", you are presumably talking about ALL of Afghanistan, and not just the middle class or the wealthy living in cities.

Access to education, Freedom in day to day lives, Not being subject to cavemen dictates. Free to practice their religion ( whatever flavors of it), Free to dress unlike an Egyptian mummy all wrapped up, Free to pursue profession of their liking...

Life expectancy, happiness and purchasing power all would be better with the above things (especially education). The "Afghans under occupation" is supposed to include only those who live in Afghan government controlled / US controlled regions. Not the whole of Afghanistan.

There is a reason why people mobbed the airport for a flight out of that country. Taliban is oppressive and deranged.

 

[Tse]

Taliban leader with female presenter live on Afghan TV today. as someone who has lived alongside Muslims all my life, the way she wraps the hijab is quite loose, not something that is typically up to the modesty standard by many average Muslims, even in a non Islamic country such as mine

 

[solarz]

Access to education. Freedom in day to day lives. Not being subject to cavemen dictates. Free to practice their religion ( whatever flavors of it). Free to dress unlike an Egyptian mummy all wrapped up. Free to pursue profession of their liking.

Life expectancy, happiness and purchasing power all would be better with the above things (especially education). The "Afghans under occupation" is supposed to include only those who live in Afghan government controlled / US controlled regions. Not the whole of Afghanistan.

There is a reason why people mobbed the airport for a flight out of that country. Taliban is oppressive and deranged.

Freedom in day to day lives? Sure, if you don't mind the odd occupier gunning you down for s*** and giggles.

As for access to education, funnily enough, Afghanistans who don't live in cities also want access to better lives, or do they not count as people?

 

[solarz]

Taliban leader with female presenter live on Afghan TV today. as someone who has lived alongside Muslims all my life, the way she wraps the hijab is quite loose, not something that is typically up to the modesty standard by many average Muslims, even in a non Islamic country such as mine

Oh look, she's not dressed like a mummy!

 

[siegecrossbow]

Order of Blinken’s calls on Afghan matters.

First to Wang Yi.

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Supapowans should be grateful that Iran is on bad terms with the U.S. Otherwise they’d be called before India.

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

Access to education, Freedom in day to day lives, Not being subject to cavemen dictates. Free to practice their religion ( whatever flavors of it), Free to dress unlike an Egyptian mummy all wrapped up, Free to pursue profession of their liking...

Life expectancy, happiness and purchasing power all would be better with the above things (especially education). The "Afghans under occupation" is supposed to include only those who live in Afghan government controlled / US controlled regions. Not the whole of Afghanistan.

There is a reason why people mobbed the airport for a flight out of that country. Taliban is oppressive and deranged.

Agreed on all points. However, the current Taliban is more or less interesting, and I believe the entire international community will be watching them really closely. Like what another user said, they didn't go running around killing "suspected" collaborators nor did they shoot those who ran to the airport. As a matter of fact, based on what we have seen SO FAR, they are establishing order within Afghanistan. So, there is a chance that the Taliban of today is completely different from that of the 90's and early 2000's.

 

[Xizor]

Freedom in day to day lives? Sure, if you don't mind the odd occupier gunning you down for s*** and giggles.

As for access to education, funnily enough, Afghanistans who don't live in cities also want access to better lives, or do they not count as people?

Certainly, there is freedom in day to day lives. The reason why I tagged US as an "occupier" is just so that incidents like you mentioned are not glossed up / understated.

But being under the Taliban is way worse. Extremely worse. Taliban will take females as bounty. There is no rule of law or institutions. Religious clerics will become Judges. It's ISIL but with a mixture of Afghan tribalism.

Education has to start somewhere. It's better to have education at least in cities than no education at all. The things Taliban does is diametrically opposite not just to western countries but to Chinese conscience and nation as well.

 

[Xizor]

Agreed on all points. However, the current Taliban is more or less interesting, and I believe the entire international community will be watching them really closely. Like what another user said, they didn't go running around killing "suspected" collaborators nor did they shoot those who ran to the airport. As a matter of fact, based on what we have seen SO FAR, they are establishing order within Afghanistan. So, there is a chance that the Taliban of today is completely different from that of the 90's and early 2000's.

Its a facade. They mentioned that they will give women rights as per their take on Islamic system ( whatever that means). They didn't mention equal rights as men but just some rights.

Once they settle in and figure out their hierarchies and levers of power, they will slowly start hunting for the collaborators. They may pass laws that target the collaborators and set up kangaroo courts to deal with them.

My pet cat has got rights too. Big deal.

 

[Xizor]

Oh look, she's not dressed like a mummy!

Yeah. It's a pity.

 

[horse]

So, there is a chance that the Taliban of today is completely different from that of the 90's and early 2000's.

We do not know.

However, I would bet they are different.

People forgot, or if one is too young then cannot remember because we were not there at the time, the Taliban were fanatics that no one liked. When the Americans went to topple the Taliban, no other state really objected.

Then it went sideways, and here we are 20 years later.

Generally speaking, a generation is about 20 years, and by definition, this is a different generation of Taliban.

This generation of Taliban uses Chinese cell phones and upload videos to the internet, and network with fellow Muslims, and have connections.

That Taliban delegation to Tianjin, I doubt the Taliban paid for their airfare, and I am pretty sure they did not walk to China.

So, one level, the Taliban today are part of the game, when over 20 years ago, that Taliban had no inclination to be anywhere near the game.

The old Taliban was that backwards. This Taliban is not the old Taliban. How different they are will start coming out soon.