Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

supercat

Colonel
The attacks on Chinese vaccines are relentless.
In the Yahoo/Reuters article, the title simply doesn't match the content.
The title:

Leaked memo raises Thai concern about Sinovac vaccine's efficacy​

But from the article:
Thailand has administered Sinovac's inactivated virus vaccine to most health workers and its real-world study showed two doses were 95% effective in reducing mortality and severe symptoms. The study showed it was 71% to 91% effective in stopping infection with the Alpha variant.
This is unmitigated bashing of Sinovac.

As for the Delta variant, Israeli study indicates that the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine drops to 64% overall, although it is still very good at preventing hospitalization:
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The more western vaccines are being shown to have lied in their clinical trials to get unrealistically and unattainably high fake efficacy rates, the harder western MSM bashes Chinese vaccines as they are now in full panic stations because Chinese vaccines are proving to be just as good, if not better than western vaccines in real world results. They are just applying their standard copy paste spam attack hoping that if they repeat their lies enough it will become the accepted reality. It might yield some short term benefits, but as covid has ruthlessly shown, you can’t bullshit your way out of hard truths and reality. If the western elites have any sense, they should line all these professional liars in the MSM against a wall and stop their poisoning of western society. But alas they are not like drug addicts who have become dependent on the poison that is killing them.
 

KYli

Brigadier
In the Yahoo/Reuters article, the title simply doesn't match the content.
The title:

But from the article:

This is unmitigated bashing of Sinovac.

As for the Delta variant, Israeli study indicates that the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine drops to 64% overall, although it is still very good at preventing hospitalization:
As of now, 64% does seem like a more realistic efficacy rate than previous claims espeically against the Delta variant. 93% preventing Hospitalizations and deaths is pretty good. However, I would expect the number to go further down. I don't know how should I interpret the statistic below. It doesn't look good.

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Among those infected, almost half are schoolchildren, a significant percentage of whom were already fully vaccinated – more than 40% in the past week.

However, the rate of unvaccinated patients among those who are currently in serious condition is decreasing drastically.
On Sunday, the patients in serious conditions who were not vaccinated stood at 57% – including one child and one pregnant woman. In the past few months, they were almost 90%.

Among the patients hospitalized, the rate stood at almost 53%.

Rambam Medical Center in Haifa said that of the six patients hospitalized in their coronavirus ward, only one was not inoculated.

Four patients in serious conditions – all of them over 75 – were fully immunized,
as is a woman who just gave birth and is in mild condition.
 

solarz

Brigadier
So why you complain about Singapore not toeing to China The same argument can be applied to Singapore Their duty is for the security of Singapore citizen. At least the American provide Singapore with sophisticated weaponry to defend themselves. And implicit guarantee that any attack to Singapore will tripwire US response.

For You information There is no US base or defense treaty with US. Unlike Japan or South Korea. Singapore does not line up their foreign policy with US. Case in point after TAM all western countries, including Japan and South Korea boycott China and put economic embargo on China Singapore stood by China even LKY come out in open and said Deng did the right thing. Nobody ask China to intervene or send marine for OC. But there is humanitarian gesture that every big countries can make without damaging relation with SEA countries. China just fail in this respect. I understand that it was Jiang Zhemin administration and the bureaucracy at that time is not sophisticated. And news can easily censored before internet. But Chinese public did express their outrage. It will be different if it were to occur now. Xi spend 17 years in Fujian the home province of most SEA chinese.

Only after much prodding by then SAR Tung Chee Hwa finally China did issue meek statement condemning the riot But too little and too late. Tung Chee Hwa has to do because there are half million Chindo descendant in Hongkong. All those people who return to China to built new China but mistreated at Cultural revolution and at the end of CR were allowed to leave China and HOngkong is the only place that welcome them. Over the year they make up influential group in HOngkong.

Chin doing nothing show how impotent they are and will be subject to ridicule. If the same thing happened to white population say in Africa I have no doubt the US or GB will bomb them to Smithers

Complain? I was merely stating facts.

Singapore is ruled by a group of elites who fawn over anything Western, like the doctors who mindlessly regurgitate Western propaganda on covid vaccines. However, if you really believe the US will help Singapore in a fight, I've got a bridge to sell to you.

The West fights wars when it benefits the interests of their ruling Capitalist class, it's called Imperialism. They love to bomb countries that can't fight back, but against those that can, even backward little hamlets like North Korea, they will always be all bark and no bite. This is why Mao Zedong called Imperialists paper tigers.

In contrast, while China doesn't start fights, it will always finish them. Just ask India and Vietnam. Someone who can't understand why China isn't Imperialist like the West really should check their own moral compass. Unlike the US, China works within the legal framework of the UN, so instead of asking why China didn't intervene, you should be asking why the UN didn't intervene.
 

Sardaukar20

Captain
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Disgusting things the US and the West are doing with regards to pushing its Wuhan lab leak theory.

Looks like it is mainly a 5 eyes agenda. Pushed by their own rightwingers.
A source close to the matter told the Global Times earlier that the US scientist is being personally threatened by emails, phone calls and messages on social media, and people who attacked him generally have far-right and even white supremacism leanings. GOP members of Congress are whipping those extremists up now.

"There is a coordinated political campaign to undermine anyone involved in the origins work if they do not fit the lab leak narrative. This is coming mainly from the right wing circles in the US, Australia, and in Europe, mainly the UK," the source said.

They are working really hard to silence or defame the real scientists who were just trying to be objective.
Like many others who oppose the lab-leak theory, Edward Holmes has received a number of threatening letters with real bullets, the Global Times learned from the people familiar with the matter.
Under such growing political pressure, Fauci has been increasingly ambiguous on his rhetoric. Another US scientist, who also took part in the WHO-China joint team on the origins research, has also been a target of such attacks, the Global Times learned. After collaborating in the project with China, Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, was recused from the UN-backed commission work on the origins of the epidemic.
For instance, Danielle Anderson, the only foreign scientist who once worked at the WIV, was quoted as saying in a Bloomberg report on June 28 that no one she knew at the Wuhan institute was ill toward the end of 2019.
After she told Health Feedback that it's "simply false" to label the WIV as a bioweapons research lab, she had her name "trashed so viciously by extremists she had to call in police," the Sydney Moring Herald reported on Sunday.

China sure has its theories about Covid-19 and the US. Yet I don't see them giving any death threats or career pressure to scientists. We have never heard of the A-holes like Nicholas Wade who are pushing the Wuhan lab theory receiving bullets or death threats from Wumaos. Everyone with a brain can see who is really pushing an agenda here.
 
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