Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Hendrik_2000

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I usually wouldn't bother commenting on your sanctimonious, revisionist pronouncements, but hey why not, SEA Chinese support China through thick and thin, utter drivel, until the 2008 financial crisis, mainland Chinese were the poor relation to be looked down upon and pitied, in the early 2000s while visiting SEA I was 'advised' I shouldn't talk to mainland Chinese girls there as they're just here to be whores after the crisis China was a cash cow to be milked.

The ties between SEA Chinese and China are family and clan based the polity of China well they'd rather the KMT didn't lose but they did and money is money and family is family.

Before you shoot your mouth off about what would I know, my wife is from there and my father in law to this day won't countenance even visiting family in China because of Tibet, I am tolerated because I am a Hong Kong born Chinese, not a mainlander, living in the west. The MCA was setup and funded by ex KMT, white wash all you like, thick and thin! Singapore sent its armed forces to Taiwan for annual joint exercises 10,000 at a time, go figure! Oh and you missed the bit about how the 'other' China, the real one according to the KMT, providing copious amounts of help to stave off the rivers of Chinese blood, oh maybe it wasn't mentioned because they did nothing!

Finally, you either have a foreign policy of non-interference in other country's internal affairs or you don't!
I don't know what are you talking Yes overseas Chinese help fund the Xinghai rebellion . Sun Yat Sen, Kang Youwei all of them get funding from overseas Chinese Here what George Yeo said

Singapore’s relationship with China

Because of its Chinese population, Singapore has a very special relationship with China. In the 19th century, the Opium War, the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom (太平天国), the Boxer Rebellion (义和拳) — every major event in China affected people in Singapore. Kang Youwei, Sun Yat-sen all came to Singapore, all spoke to Chinese people here who were caught up in the Chinese drama. Many of the uprisings preceding the Xinhai Revolution were organised in Singapore and in Penang. And when later the Communist Party was formed in China, the Communist Party was formed in Singapore and Malaya. When the communists and Kuomintang fought in China, they fought here. When they were united, they were united here. When China fought Japan, people here raised money to help China fight Japan and sent volunteers to China to help fight Japan. When the Japanese army came to Singapore, they killed many Chinese because it was all part of one conflict. So later, when China became the PRC, China continued to support local communist parties in Southeast Asia. It was only after Deng Xiaoping’s visit in 1978, that the position changed and China stopped supporting local communist parties.

Who said we looked down on relative in China OCBC(Overseas Chinese Banking Corporation) Is one of 5 foreign bank who still operate in China after liberation in 1949 until now. They were instrumental in sending money to the relative in China There is youtube video about it.

No Chinese script in both Malaysia and Singapore follow mainland Jiangdan(simplified) script and not Taiwan old script . The same with pronunciation they don't follow mopo Taiwan

What KMT founded the MCA WRONG! It was a peranakan Tan Cheng Lock who founded the MCA in order to secure Chinese language and culture will be protected in Malaysia

Tan Cheng Lock, also spelled Tan Cheng-lock, (born April 5, 1883,
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, Straits Settlements [now in Malaysia]—died Dec. 8, 1960, Malacca, Malaya), Malaysian Chinese
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leader, politician, and businessman.

Born into a wealthy Straits Chinese family with shipping and plantation interests, Tan Cheng Lock was an early beneficiary of the
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of Malaya under colonial rule. He invested especially in
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and banking. He also acquired great familiarity with the classical European philosophers and in later life frequently used his knowledge to enliven his political discourse.

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and in 1923 was appointed to the Legislative Council of the
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, emerging there as the most outspoken of local Chinese leaders. Campaigning against the “pro-Malay” policy of the time, he argued for a united (and eventually self-governing) Malayan society in which all ethnic groups, immigrant as well as
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. In 1933 he became the first Asian member of the Straits Settlements Executive Council, in part, perhaps, because of his support of the government’s ban on the Kuomintang the previous year and his strongly expressed view that Malayan Chinese should be loyal only to Malaya.


Singapore kept their training base in Taiwan out of courtesy. Because they remember who answer the call for help when nobody else answer. You don't cast away old friend because you have new friend. Loyalty to a friend is following confucius teaching. I remember during Chen Shuibian administration the present PM LHL went to Taiwan to warn him personally not to declare independent It cause a rift with Taiwan at that time

 

Tse

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Some resistance to the policy... Hopefully it will grow soon.

As for the argument above: yes it is time to end the non interference policy. It is a silly policy. The SEA Chinese need to be protected, everywhere in SEA we have been looted and slighted and massacred. It will obviously upset the natives of course but they will learn to adapt. Also, people in SEA are already fully aware and terrified of the power and wealth of China, we need to work on other aspects, less direct things such as apoltical entertainment and heritage. Every Chinese person who uses Western things unnecessarily, Western alphabet and writing direction, Western utensils and Western clothing, art and architecture, luxury brands, do you realise that we are silently acknowledging the superiority of the West?
 
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SteelBird

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I am surprised that Vietnam seems to be unable to contain this wave of coronavirus.
I think one of the main reasons behind this is Delta variant. Cambodia is also in deep pond of the pandemic too with history high of case surge up to 1130 case the day before yesterday. Our Ministry of Health said that we have passed the red line of the pandemic. The health system may collapse.
 

zbb

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It's pretty obvious by now that Pfizer, Moderna, Sinopharm and Sinovac are all effective at curbing the spread of covid-19.

The effectiveness of Pfizer/Moderna can be seen in the dramatic drop in infection and deaths in the US, which exclusively uses those two vaccines and have a high vaccination rate.

It's also clear that Astra-Zeneca and it's Indian made variant are the most ineffective and dangerous vaccines. It's telling that these are the vaccines that Western countries like US and Canada are sending to the rest of the world, all the while banning their use at home.

Infections and deaths have also dropped dramatically in Mexico despite low vaccination rates. No doubt vaccines have helped in the US, but it is very difficult to tell how much of the drop in infections should be attributed to vaccines and how much to other factors, e.g. weather.
 
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LawLeadsToPeace

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Infections and deaths have also dropped dramatically in Mexico despite low vaccination rates. No doubt vaccines have helped in the US, but it is very difficult to tell how much of the drop in infections should be attributed to vaccines and how much to other factors, e.g. weather.
Or, from a much more cynical perspective, those governments are lying out of their butts to get their economies operational.
 

Tam

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I think one of the main reasons behind this is Delta variant. Cambodia is also in deep pond of the pandemic too with history high of case surge up to 1130 case the day before yesterday. Our Ministry of Health said that we have passed the red line of the pandemic. The health system may collapse.

Vietnam has their own variant, first thought to be a hybrid between the Alpha (UK) and the Delta variant. However that was later debunked, and the new variant is now considered a strain of the Delta.
 

LesAdieux

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I think that is too harsh of judgement. When Singapore gain independent She is nothing but malaria infested swamp with the largest employer being British military base that is leaving soon. So she has nothing then the fiasco with Malaysia . She ceremoniously kicked out of the federation. Soon she has to face confrontation with Indonesia.

With no military to speak of other than 1 battalion of poorly equipped army. So what are you going to do if you are poor and defenseless. So of course they built up the defense but it will take time She ask for help but no one call the answer except Taiwan and Israel. The Israel provide the training for the army and Taiwan pilot and sailor was inducted into the Air force and navy. China cannot help because she is mired in cultural revolution and busy fighting against themselves.

Politically the PAP still not secure and Communist(China supporter) still hold power and loyalty among the masses they just squeak thru election So yes there concerted effort to deSinized the population at large by deemphasize the connection to China in order to forge new Singapore identity which is pragmatic. Since Singapore is Chinese island in the sea of Malay who are always suspicious of China at that time due to western propaganda. Also 20% of Singaporean are Malay!

Economically Spore latch themselves to Japan and the west because they are the one who has money and industry to invest in Singapore. China was too poor back then. Many people in SEA send money to China to support the relative. I was in Spore in 67 and at that time it is backwater too many robber and prostitute(dancing hall). Most people still live in Kampung.

In order to facilitate investment Singapore opt for open port and welcome investor from Japan and the west . Actually America didn't come into picture at that time. Latter they work out and agreement with US by allowing small logistic group to operate in Singapore and visiting right and maintenance for US navy In return for US to provide sophisticated weaponry

So when you open the door the fly will come in. You cannot avoid it Western movie, western newspaper, western influence seep in. They realize that the westernization is going too far back in early 80's.

People here condemn Spore to easily but relation is not one way street, When the Indo burn, loot and rape Indonesian Chinese in 1998 what did China do NOTHING. To add insult to injury they even forbade Chinese civilian to protest. People in SEA see that as betrayal to your own kind and China is useless! and too coward to help so called blood and kin.
When the overseas Chinese always help and support China thru thick and thin! thru history
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So before you point the finger you should ask yourselves What has China did for overseas Chinese? BIG NOTHING!
Pogrom and riot against Chinese in SEA is common There were big riot in Malaysia back in 1964, 1969
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Again China did nothing
When ask why china did nothing Zhou Enlai Said it is like giving up a daughter for marriage Once she is gone the family has no responsibility anymore . Now why should overseas China own loyalty to China then!

I don't think the founder of Singapore are ashamed of their identity most of them are peranakan and they always balance between Their Chinese identity and the need for western science and technology. Though I have to say that the latter convert(English speaking chinese) tend to go overboard with westernization and worshipped the west on the altar. Something gone wrong along the way!

CCP was once a real communist party. it classified people as classes. it didn't support oversea Chinese, it only supported oversea communist movements. also because of the legacy between oversea Chinese and the KMT in Taiwan, ccp used to look at oversea chinese with suspicions.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Vietnam has their own variant, first thought to be a hybrid between the Alpha (UK) and the Delta variant. However that was later debunked, and the new variant is now considered a strain of the Delta.
I'm not so sure about the variant in Vietnam but in Cambodia, there's one thing I feel strange and government never explain; from the first patient found in Cambodia in March 2020 to Feb 2021, the government never prepared for any death case. But since the third wave (we call it the "Feb 20 community infection event". The main source is migrant workers come back from Thailand), the government started to prepare cremation equipment and site. We have 660 death since then. The government knew and expected it to happen. What's the real story behind that?
 

getready

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I think that is too harsh of judgement. When Singapore gain independent She is nothing but malaria infested swamp with the largest employer being British military base that is leaving soon. So she has nothing then the fiasco with Malaysia . She ceremoniously kicked out of the federation. Soon she has to face confrontation with Indonesia.

With no military to speak of other than 1 battalion of poorly equipped army. So what are you going to do if you are poor and defenseless. So of course they built up the defense but it will take time She ask for help but no one call the answer except Taiwan and Israel. The Israel provide the training for the army and Taiwan pilot and sailor was inducted into the Air force and navy. China cannot help because she is mired in cultural revolution and busy fighting against themselves.

Politically the PAP still not secure and Communist(China supporter) still hold power and loyalty among the masses they just squeak thru election So yes there concerted effort to deSinized the population at large by deemphasize the connection to China in order to forge new Singapore identity which is pragmatic. Since Singapore is Chinese island in the sea of Malay who are always suspicious of China at that time due to western propaganda. Also 20% of Singaporean are Malay!

Economically Spore latch themselves to Japan and the west because they are the one who has money and industry to invest in Singapore. China was too poor back then. Many people in SEA send money to China to support the relative. I was in Spore in 67 and at that time it is backwater too many robber and prostitute(dancing hall). Most people still live in Kampung.

In order to facilitate investment Singapore opt for open port and welcome investor from Japan and the west . Actually America didn't come into picture at that time. Latter they work out and agreement with US by allowing small logistic group to operate in Singapore and visiting right and maintenance for US navy In return for US to provide sophisticated weaponry

So when you open the door the fly will come in. You cannot avoid it Western movie, western newspaper, western influence seep in. They realize that the westernization is going too far back in early 80's.

People here condemn Spore to easily but relation is not one way street, When the Indo burn, loot and rape Indonesian Chinese in 1998 what did China do NOTHING. To add insult to injury they even forbade Chinese civilian to protest. People in SEA see that as betrayal to your own kind and China is useless! and too coward to help so called blood and kin.
When the overseas Chinese always help and support China thru thick and thin! thru history
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So before you point the finger you should ask yourselves What has China did for overseas Chinese? BIG NOTHING!
Pogrom and riot against Chinese in SEA is common There were big riot in Malaysia back in 1964, 1969
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Again China did nothing
When ask why china did nothing Zhou Enlai Said it is like giving up a daughter for marriage Once she is gone the family has no responsibility anymore . Now why should overseas China own loyalty to China then!

I don't think the founder of Singapore are ashamed of their identity most of them are peranakan and they always balance between Their Chinese identity and the need for western science and technology. Though I have to say that the latter convert(English speaking chinese) tend to go overboard with westernization and worshipped the west on the altar. Something gone wrong along the way!
Yeah sorry, this is not a particularly good take on Indonesian Chinese situation. and I'm speaking from perspective of an Indonesian Chinese still with lots of family and relatives back in indonesia and Singapore. but I dun wish to repeat the same thing ad nauseam when people keep bringing up same nonsense criticism of China's non interference. So we will just agree to disagree. Cuz it gotten boring for me to explain Everytime.
 
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