Ladakh Flash Point

[JSL]

You make a reasonable point, in that if China initiates a war against India and wins a decisive victory, it might drive the 'fence-sitters' to run for cover and seek protection from the 'other party', thus letting China lose out to the propaganda machinery.
On the other hand, there could be just the opposite effect. It might make those 'fence-sitters' and those nations that bear ill-will to China to realise that China is truly a Military power to be respected and that its goodwill and patience are not to be taken for granted. It may bring the 'fence-sitters' into China's orbit and drive the hostile nations to be more cautious.

Regarding the passage you quoted from the book, the author makes a valid point regarding the manner in which China used force in those instances, but I also feel that the author missed to point out that China might have truly felt threatened in those instances, and that the actions of those nations directly trampled on Beijing's interest.
In the 1962 war, China's objective was to deliver a quick decisive blow to India and halt India's expansionist policy at the time, which it succeeded. The Chinese even withdrew after reaching as far as Assam. Assam is the gateway to Northeast India.

What has all the Kind gestures and 'win-win' policy begotten China from those Propaganda spinning nations? What has China even gained by its proclamation of 'peaceful rise' time and time again and again? More scorn, more lies and more sanctions and bans on its companies.
Is it time for China to try a different set of policies for once and see if it works better?
No amount of trying to please the US -led Western order will let them ease the pedal on trying to find every means to halt China's economy, or even destroy China, no matter if Millions die.

China has demonstrated many things in recent decades, it has demonstrated an enormous capability to build, lift hundreds of Millions out of poverty, help Africa and other developing nations to develop their Infrastructure, it has demonstrated tremendous technological prowess and the staggering ability to adapt those technologies for its societal benefits, China is second to none as a space-faring nation, it is the greatest trading nation etc, ( too numerous to write them down.)
One thing that China has not demonstrated, the one thing that will truly protect all its achievements and abilities, and culminate to a point of catapulting it to True 'Superpower' status is Military Power.

Are you saying that USA the real super power gets humiliated by North Korea ? North Korea conducts routine missile test and even nuclear test that break international law. North Korea also developed missile that can hit entire US with China's help. yet US did not go to war with North Korea !!

Now you are saying that China, having grabbed 800 km of land from India with almost no personal losses, should go beat india up like 1962? Even thought India did not attack China yet, only moved a few divisions of cannon folders to the border?

Hahahahahahaha.

 

[twineedle]

Are you saying that USA the real super power gets humiliated by North Korea ? North Korea conducts routine missile test and even nuclear test that break international law. North Korea also developed missile that can hit entire US with China's help. yet US did not go to war with North Korea !!

Now you are saying that China, having grabbed 800 km of land from India with almost no personal losses, should go beat india up like 1962? Even thought India did not attack China yet, only moved a feColombo linew divisions of cannon folders to the border?

Hahahahahahaha.

That land China "grabbed" wasn't even in India's control. Both sides simply occupied disputed areas on either side of the Colombo line that previously had no permanent posts but were patrolled by unarmed soldiers from both sides, as oer the 1993 agreement. Now both sides are blocking each other from reaching their respective perceptions and claims.

 

[jfy1155]

That land China "grabbed" wasn't even in India's control. Both sides simply occupied disputed areas on either side of the Colombo line that previously had no permanent posts but were patrolled by unarmed soldiers from both sides, as oer the 1993 agreement. Now both sides are blocking each other from reaching their respective perceptions and claims.

"Now both sides are blocking each other from reaching their respective perceptions and claims."

Can you please provide a non-Indian source that supports your claim?

 

[ougoah]

The whole public showing of moving more men to Chinese side is nothing more than public attention effort. If they were serious about pushing into china they would need to move a lot of equipment and china would have exposed it and mirrored a deployment of thousands of unmissable assets. Until that is shown by both sides, Modi moving men in is just a domestic attention move... Unless he doesn't mind china using artillery on those men if they're sent advancing.

 

[ougoah]

Modi's narrative is that Lal these reinforcements are there to prevent china from advancing, and gee look they are not, therefore we won and we're very strong otherwise china would have invaded. You can't prove otherwise. The Chinese are very invasion-ey

 

[twineedle]

The whole public showing of moving more men to Chinese side is nothing more than public attention effort. If they were serious about pushing into china they would need to move a lot of equipment and china would have exposed it and mirrored a deployment of thousands of unmissable assets. Until that is shown by both sides, Modi moving men in is just a domestic attention move... Unless he doesn't mind china using artillery on those men if they're sent advancing.

Terrorism in Kashmir has been at a record low since Article 370 repeal, so Rashtriya Rifles units dedicates for COIN ops have been moved to the LAC. In addition, Pakustan is respecting the terms of the ceasefire, so more units there can be redirected.

 

[Kancil]

So India moves troops from the Pakistan border to the Chinese border? As far as I'm concerned, that's good. Because China and the Himalayas can handle those additional 50k Indian troops. First, it would be relieving a lot of pressure on Pakistan. Second, unlike invading Pakistan, invading China via the Himalayas is a whole different animal. China is a far superior adversary and the Himalayas is a far more punishing environment than the India-Pakistan borderlands.

So does India desires to march its troops to Lhasa? Please do, India would be doing Asia a big favour. Just like Hitler dreaming of marching German troops into Moscow. India is more than welcomed to try that with Lhasa. China had faced far superior enemies at far worse odds. India will be the first nation to invade mainland China proper since Imperial Japan in WW2. Indian troops would be the invaders facing PLA troops fighting on their very own motherland. There is no second-guessing on the morale of the PLA soldiers. Jai Hinds can say all they like that PLA troops are inexperienced spoiled brats. If Galwan wasn't the wake up call, then India is more then welcomed to try more of what the PLA can offer. India would suffer a defeat that could rival or surpass 1962. But this time, China might not be as forgiving in victory.

Pakistan might not need to invade India when its troops are mostly focused on China. When this scandalous Indian military prestige is finally exposed by China, South Asia would change. Then the people of Kashmir, Nagaland, etc would no longer fear the Indian army as before. Things in India will get really interesting. Wait for India to blame Pakistan and China, and then let the proxy wars begin. At that time, India will get a taste of its own medicine.

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Looks like Modi is trying to tell Uncle Sam not to write off India yet. He is trying to tell the world that Covid-19 has no effects on India. India is still strong and can still take on China. Maybe this time is for real. The warm weather now is the right time to launch an attack on the Chinese.

 

[ougoah]

Terrorism in Kashmir has been at a record low since Article 370 repeal, so Rashtriya Rifles units dedicates for COIN ops have been moved to the LAC. In addition, Pakustan is respecting the terms of the ceasefire, so more units there can be redirected.

Yes they can be redirected but it isn't to invade china. At least I doubt india is delusional enough to. It also isn't to defend against Chinese invasion. If that were something china intended to do, it would have been done and china would never have bothered with talks that India requested.

 

[ougoah]

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Looks like Modi is trying to tell Uncle Sam not to write off India yet. He is trying to tell the world that Covid-19 has no effects on India. India is still strong and can still take on China. Maybe this time is for real. The warm weather now is the right time to launch an attack on the Chinese.

No Modi needs to look like he's addressing a belligerent china. It benefits him in several domains. But he also has no plan on invading china. You don't do that with 200k troops which would get wiped out within days if not hours. If India truly had some intention to make moves on china or make moves to advance into all their claimed parts, they would need to move in every piece of military gram they have and even then it wouldnt be enough. A single type of Chinese artillery is fielded in about the same number as India's entire artillery inventory. Smart ordinance gap is even greater not that either side would be wasting too much of them, particularly not china with most of its hardware centred in the east. Again this shows china doesn't have and never had the desire to invade India despite what some may like to think. China responded to increasing Indian patrols on the 20%. India didn't expect china to respond so harshly. Now standoff and Modi is ruling over a country that was crumbling since 2018.

 

[ougoah]

Btw it should be noted how risky it is to have up to 200k people stationed in an empty, cover-less land area the size of Italy. How many tanks, ifvs, artillery pieces, aircraft, drones, helicopters per soldier stationed nearby? Would be one in a thousand if even that.