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Richard Santos

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You tell them Richard!

"Everybody who disagrees with me is a conformance enforcement thug and head of the forum thought police."
That'd come in handy for some.

No, everything who say others SHOULD NOT DARE to voice an opinion in a public forum on the subject that he disapproval is an would be thought police. And in this case, a blustering, but feeble, thought police.
 

Sleepyjam

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No, everything who say others SHOULD NOT DARE to voice an opinion in a public forum on the subject that he disapproval is an would be thought police. And in this case, a blustering, but feeble, thought police.
Audacity simply means arrogance which is true in this context. In no way does it equal to “SHOULD NOT DARE”. You seriously need to check your head before accusing others of being the thought police.
 

Orthan

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your thinking is outdated for the modern times.
No, its not. You only truly win ( end ) a war by ocupying the enemy´s territory. That hasnt changed.

Wars are NOT won by land forces, it is won by the air components.

With out air dominance, your army are just shrapnel magnets.
The US had a large military advantage against north vietnam, but they only sent warplanes. If they had also sent troops, they wouldnt have lost the war. Besides, nowadays, modern air defence is very lethal to most warplanes.

Which country in Central Asia will give trouble to China.
It doesnt even have to be a country. A lot of people in central asia dont like china, and some of these countries are politically unstable. China needs to guard this border. It doesnt have to be a large garrison force, but china should be wary.

Did you just miss the recent celebrations about China-Russia treaty
Russia will align with china as long as putin is in power. After that, who knows whats going to happen? russia in the future could realign with the west, even if that only happens 15 years from now.

N.Korea is the ONLY true treaty-bound (defensive) ally of China.
Ok. So what happens if for some reason, there is a conflict betwen the US/SK and NK and the US/SK forces advance to the north? what will china do? It seems that they need large forces in that area. I think that some years ago, the NE china region had the largest concentration of PLA land forces. Perhabs its because of that.

Vietnam is NOT a friend but it is also NOT an adversary.
But china also needs to have an adequate garrison to guard the border. In case of china entering a conflict of large proportions with the US or india and having to divert large forces to face them, vietnam could be a wild card in china´s borders.

It has sufficient forces to distribute its power along different military theaters depending on its needs.
How do you know that? specially in case of a large conflict?

China has many complex relationships with its neighbours but that doesn't mean that they are HOSTILE countries for China. China wont attack them and they wont attack China.
But china still has to properly guard those borders, and in case of a large conflict, these garrison forces becomes forces that cant be used in the conflict. They dont have to be hostile, they only need to be there.

Take a bow to this masterclass of a post by @Orthan
Thanks.
 

Abominable

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No, its not. You only truly win ( end ) a war by ocupying the enemy´s territory. That hasnt changed.


The US had a large military advantage against north vietnam, but they only sent warplanes. If they had also sent troops, they wouldnt have lost the war. Besides, nowadays, modern air defence is very lethal to most warplanes.


It doesnt even have to be a country. A lot of people in central asia dont like china, and some of these countries are politically unstable. China needs to guard this border. It doesnt have to be a large garrison force, but china should be wary.


Russia will align with china as long as putin is in power. After that, who knows whats going to happen? russia in the future could realign with the west, even if that only happens 15 years from now.


Ok. So what happens if for some reason, there is a conflict betwen the US/SK and NK and the US/SK forces advance to the north? what will china do? It seems that they need large forces in that area. I think that some years ago, the NE china region had the largest concentration of PLA land forces. Perhabs its because of that.


But china also needs to have an adequate garrison to guard the border. In case of china entering a conflict of large proportions with the US or india and having to divert large forces to face them, vietnam could be a wild card in china´s borders.


How do you know that? specially in case of a large conflict?


But china still has to properly guard those borders, and in case of a large conflict, these garrison forces becomes forces that cant be used in the conflict. They dont have to be hostile, they only need to be there.


Thanks.
No country in central Asia has a problem with China right now, and neither does Russia (Putin or no Putin).

India has problems with every one of its neighbours.

However even in this Modi wet dream where every neighbour of China is an enemy, India is the least threatening. How do you propose India invades China over the Himalayas?

"The US had a large military advantage against north vietnam, but they only sent warplanes. If they had also sent troops, they wouldnt have lost the war. Besides, nowadays, modern air defence is very lethal to most warplanes."

Your assessment of the Vietnam war is wrong, and is the sort of thing Americans like to claim. If America invaded the North, it would have twice the land to occupy and a far more hostile one. Vietcong would still continue to be armed and supported from China.
 

Sleepyjam

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Ok. So what happens if for some reason, there is a conflict betwen the US/SK and NK and the US/SK forces advance to the north? what will china do? It seems that they need large forces in that area. I think that some years ago, the NE china region had the largest concentration of PLA land forces. Perhabs its because of that.
NK has both growing nuclear weapons as well as chemical weapons, it would be extremely costly if not suicidal to attack it. In such a event SK and Japan could be devastated and China could use the opportunity to liberate Taiwan. China could also come in to offer humanitarian assistance to NK in such a scenario.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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No, its not. You only truly win ( end ) a war by ocupying the enemy´s territory. That hasnt changed.


The US had a large military advantage against north vietnam, but they only sent warplanes. If they had also sent troops, they wouldnt have lost the war. Besides, nowadays, modern air defence is very lethal to most warplanes.


It doesnt even have to be a country. A lot of people in central asia dont like china, and some of these countries are politically unstable. China needs to guard this border. It doesnt have to be a large garrison force, but china should be wary.


Russia will align with china as long as putin is in power. After that, who knows whats going to happen? russia in the future could realign with the west, even if that only happens 15 years from now.


Ok. So what happens if for some reason, there is a conflict betwen the US/SK and NK and the US/SK forces advance to the north? what will china do? It seems that they need large forces in that area. I think that some years ago, the NE china region had the largest concentration of PLA land forces. Perhabs its because of that.


But china also needs to have an adequate garrison to guard the border. In case of china entering a conflict of large proportions with the US or india and having to divert large forces to face them, vietnam could be a wild card in china´s borders.


How do you know that? specially in case of a large conflict?


But china still has to properly guard those borders, and in case of a large conflict, these garrison forces becomes forces that cant be used in the conflict. They dont have to be hostile, they only need to be there.


Thanks.
Where do you get your information/assertion that "a lot of Central Asian countries don't like China" because am genuinely curious as to how you arrived at such declarative conclusion which means you have some evidence to back up your claims or what you wrote wrote expressed are simply your opinion which is fine.
 

batfox

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Where do you get your information/assertion that "a lot of Central Asian countries don't like China" because am genuinely curious as to how you arrived at such declarative conclusion which means you have some evidence to back up your claims or what you wrote wrote expressed are simply your opinion which is fine.
With a name like orthan is most likely a turk
 

ougoah

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Wow the brainless conjecture here has been taken to new levels. Sarcasm with equal stupidity below.

I think India should watch out. If it moves 50,000 troops away from other stations, Pakistan and Nepal might invade. Those are strong militaries and can overwhelm India pretty easily if it is distracted with China. India should understand that it is a nation of 80% (or 1 billion) around the poverty line and in no position to open itself up to highly capable adversaries like Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka. It may even get bombed by hyperpower USA for using the terrorist angle and playing with fire in Afghanistan.

France and Russia and Israel might get paid off by China to stop supplying India and sell all the equipment secrets to China. If not, China can hack all the equipment secrets and find out for itself anyway. No use. It's obvious India can't afford a war and will get gangbanged into oblivion if it opens up one front, all will open up. I'm a super smart strategist so I know this and anyway who disagrees is a conformist and if you voice an opposition you are the forum thought police. Long live logic!
 
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