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Nutrient

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America didnt become world superpower by chance... and it wasnt because of innate smarts or hard work either...

In the real world cheaters often win out, not the hard working "win win" types...

Its easier to destroy than to build...
It may seem easier to cheat; by doing so, you can get some instant gratification. You may find dishonorable behavior personally beneficial, if you plan on dying before the consequences can rebound on you.

China's building for the future, however. Systems can be stable for long only if there's enough trust, and that trust must start with good behavior by the leader. China should not throw away the long term for transient benefits -- which is why I think @voyager1's recommendation for China to emulate the CIA's dishonorable tactics is very bad advice.
 

bajingan

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It may seem easier to cheat; by doing so, you can get some instant gratification. You may find dishonorable behavior personally beneficial, if you plan on dying before the consequences can rebound on you.

China's building for the future, however. Systems can be stable for long only if there's enough trust, and that trust must start with good behavior by the leader. China should not throw away the long term for transient benefits -- which is why I think @voyager1's recommendation for China to emulate the CIA's dishonorable tactics is very bad advice.
While i agree that China should never emulate cia underhanded, nasty tricks, it also needs to build strong deterrent to avoid blackmail and coercion

Right now the only weak spot in PLA capabilities is its nuclear force and this is increasingly the only area in which the us still has an overwhelming advantage, hence the increasing pressure for China to join start treaty

There is a reason why the us and its vassals never talk about possible conflict with russia they way it does China
 

Kaeshmiri

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There is a reason why the us and its vassals never talk about possible conflict with russia they way it does China
Because Modern Day Russia doesn't threaten Western Hegemony in any sphere be it economic, military or technology but China does.
Nuclear numbers don't scare the US as much as the the economic base of the nation.
When the USSR was at its peak there used to be threats of nuclear war all the time despite both sides having a gazillion nukes .All because USSR was making great strides in Tech & Economy.
 

emblem21

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They talk about conflict with Russia all the time.
One thing that they now seem to realize is that they are not only going to deal with both Russia and China at the same time, but also the likes of Iran as well as other nations that would look for any opportunity to stick it to the west when the time comes. Also to note is that while China and Russia are strengthening themselves, the USA hasn't gotten any stronger, not has Europe for that matter given how quickly they gave up any prospect of a war in Ukraine. As of such, the USA has a smaller deck to place with and if we take all the current situations that is slowly unravelling, it would seem that both Russia and China are equally capable at fighting dirty like the USA, only that they seem to have a little something that the USA doesn't seem to have right now, Subtilty and not having a leadership that has to cater to the whims of the wealthy, of which if anyone has read there history, has shown that such things will not end well.

Because Modern Day Russia doesn't threaten Western Hegemony in any sphere be it economic, military or technology but China does.
Nuclear numbers don't scare the US as much as the the economic base of the nation.
When the USSR was at its peak there used to be threats of nuclear war all the time despite both sides having a gazillion nukes .All because USSR was making great strides in Tech & Economy.
I would argue that they still do have the capacity to pose a major military threat, along with being rich in resources to the point that Europe is still trading with Russia and the USA as we speak. In regards to technology, if you have heard about the Poseidon which is a weapon that is said to induce a radioactive tsunami which by default can wipe out the entire east coast of the USA (which can easily put an end of the USA hegemony at the cost of also bring an end to the world as well). Combine this with China and there arsenal of hypersonic weapons combined, this is enough that most of Europe and the USA are practically scared enough to try and find ways to separate Russia and China from each other (not to mention acknowledging this to be an ultra bad blunder on Europe's behalf for driving Russia to that point) and are still trying to come up with half baked strategies of wanting to peel away there forces from the Russia's western border to force there forces in the South China sea (which is really stupid because not only is it China's backyard, but also China did make is clear that in the event of a real war, all US treasuries will be dumped and all rare earths will no longer flow and also nukes will be used, which will basically end the world as well). In other words, unless Biden miraculously recovers from his dementia, he is not being to be able to comprehend just how bad the situation is right now
 
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hashtagpls

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Because Modern Day Russia doesn't threaten Western Hegemony in any sphere be it economic, military or technology but China does.
Nuclear numbers don't scare the US as much as the the economic base of the nation.
When the USSR was at its peak there used to be threats of nuclear war all the time despite both sides having a gazillion nukes .All because USSR was making great strides in Tech & Economy.
That tells me the US even with its ridiculous christian fundamentalist psychos in charge, aint got the stones to go full nuclear MAD.

whilst they can BS the entire world over nuking countries, it's an entirely different thing when the anglos face a true Nemesis in the Chinese civilisation.
 

bajingan

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They talk about conflict with Russia all the time.
What concerns me is that when you have minnows like australia openly saying they will send soldiers to defend taiwan from China (its ridiculous but still) as if China is iraq or afghanistan
You never heard as far as i know, france or germany saying they will send their forces to defend ukraine
There is a lack of that primal fear of annihilation, the way they should fear when dealing with a superpower, they talk about war with China as if their homelands and their people wouldn't be affected one bit
 

Aniah

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What concerns me is that when you have minnows like australia openly saying they will send soldiers to defend taiwan from China (its ridiculous but still) as if China is iraq or afghanistan
You never heard as far as i know, france or germany saying they will send their forces to defend ukraine
There is a lack of that primal fear of annihilation, the way they should fear when dealing with a superpower, they talk about war with China as if their homelands and their people wouldn't be affected one bit
They lack fear because they don't know better. Literally, look at any south Asian country. Whether it's Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, or even Australia they lack fear because they still have the same image of China from 40, and yes I mean 40 years ago. They still have this mentality that we create cheap junk, they still believe we steal and copy, they still believe we don't issue our soldiers body armor. They don't even realize how advance we have gotten. Of course, they will not fear annihilation because they don't even see it as a possibility. Someone here said it the best, the world could do wonders if they got their asses kicked in the next war. Some humility for once for this arrogance.
 

ansy1968

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What concerns me is that when you have minnows like australia openly saying they will send soldiers to defend taiwan from China (its ridiculous but still) as if China is iraq or afghanistan
You never heard as far as i know, france or germany saying they will send their forces to defend ukraine
There is a lack of that primal fear of annihilation, the way they should fear when dealing with a superpower, they talk about war with China as if their homelands and their people wouldn't be affected one bit
@bajingan bro those minions bite won't hurt but its an irritant, And you can see the more China ignore them the more angrier they got..lol. They want China to talk to them feeling their importance why give them the satisfaction..hehehe. Bro what matters is the US, and the American knows it. If parity can be achieved within 2025, you will see a reset cause the American elites knows they can work with the Chinese and vice versa. You always leave a door open for your opponent to contemplate and if you get him/her to agree with you is the greatest victory one can get.
 
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