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LawLeadsToPeace

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China is not a prison. Her citizens can visit other countries anytime they like
However, the Chinese government CAN discourage people from going via incentives, media, warnings, and disclaimers (financial and travel sectors wise). In this regard, they aren't the best. This, along with their naive and timid foreign policies, makes them open to bully and take advantage of.
 

voyager1

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I don't think China has ever said that it is in a trade war with or trade sanctions Australia. The thing is whatever China does or doesn't do these days, they would be analyzed, amplified, and more likely than not, misrepresented by MSM. It's impossible that China could do anything "quietly." No way.
You have a point. But the Global Times nationalists were unleashed and we had very frequent attacks against Australia about how much it depended on China for its economy and that it should stop rocking the boat etc

don't tell me that Global Times isnt controlled by the CPC. Obviously their actions were OK'd by the higher ups.

So who was the "very stable genius" who thought that they had Australia on their palm of their hand and they could do whatever they wanted against it?
Did they not take into account the Iron Ore situation?

So in the end, what started as a strong and robust Chinese response against Australia is gradually turning into a joke as you can see (from the above article) from that other "genius" Morrison.

Good strategy by China but failed at the tactics.
 

KenC

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You seems to enjoy mocking at China based on Scomo's flippant remark. Australian economy is heavily dependent on China and when one abuse one's customer, surely the customer want to go elsewhere. Right now the Aussies are just heavily dependent on iron ores. Who is to say that in a few years, their iron ores can still maintain the same price, given china's diversification measures.
 

daifo

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You have a point. But the Global Times nationalists were unleashed and we had very frequent attacks against Australia about how much it depended on China for its economy and that it should stop rocking the boat etc

don't tell me that Global Times isnt controlled by the CPC. Obviously their actions were OK'd by the higher ups.

So who was the "very stable genius" who thought that they had Australia on their palm of their hand and they could do whatever they wanted against it?
Did they not take into account the Iron Ore situation?

So in the end, what started as a strong and robust Chinese response against Australia is gradually turning into a joke as you can see (from the above article) from that other "genius" Morrison.

Good strategy by China but failed at the tactics.

I have to agree that some propaganda stuff coming from Chinese media is pretty terrible. But who knows, maybe they are cultivating "right wing" and "left wing" type media in their system and provide some independent leeway. As whatever being said by us media/politican is not absolute, neither should it be for Chinese media/politician. We have just been trained (at least in the west), that the whole chinese system operates as 1 definite and absolute monolith.
 

getready

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Yes. IMO the Australia situation was embarrassing for China. Did it really have to create so so much fuss about Australia when it could just quickly and quietly sanction them and get over it?

Instead what China did, was to talk big, say about how much Australia depends on China, how poor Australia will become etc.. Look now whats happening, Australia is swimming in Chinese cash due to the China being "addicted" to iron ore.

I mean, before talking **** about how strong you are, and how you are going to damage them, how about you do your homework to check that you got all your bases covered. Instead they were caught with their pants down with being "forced" to enrich Australia by buying overpriced iron ore. And the next big iron ore mines will be opened at minimum 5 years later in Africa.

And who knows, it is Africa, maybe the US will pull some shenanigans and destabilize the region and all this effort goes to 0

Embarrassing.

Even that joke Morrison is mocking China
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^^ Thats what happens when you dont plan properly before barking about dealing economic damage by sanctions. You get laughed out of the room from all sides
I'm sorry but this a pretty bad take. I usually like your posts but this is way off. But I guess you dun live in Australia. I do and follow the local news daily with special attention towards their China section. Yes many Aus papers have a special online China section and special assigned reporters to write on China. Seriously doubt if Chinese papers have an Australian section.

In my observations, the whining, blustering, moaning, smearing, whingeing, between the two, 90% is from Aus gov and Aus media side. Mostly China kept quiet, so much so Australia officials were wondering why they are not answering our calls.

I would say compared to Aus side, China has been very restrained.
 

emblem21

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I don't think China has ever said that it is in a trade war or trade sanctions Australia. The thing is whatever China does or doesn't these days, they would be analyzed, amplified, and more likely than not, misrepresented by MSM. It's impossible that China could do anything "quietly." No way.
It’s likely that China doesn’t report too much on this but considering Australia about face turn in the name of the USA, it is likely as well given that australia doesn’t report to much on China right now base on the current news (although there a still lots of government commentators that is writing a lot on how badly Scomo is handling China and basically trying to make themselves feel better given how badly they messed things up) in Melbourne shows that australia is quite scared of China right now I believe that given the current future trajectory, China is busy dealing with other bigger problems, namely the USA. I have heard that if australia was to fire the first shot in a war in a fit of stupidity, China will strike back at the military installations in australia as a primary move (particularly PG) and that would eliminate Australia as a military threat straight away, hence australia isn’t going to make those kind of moves first. But rest assured, once the USA is dealt with and the nation goes to mad max, China will crush the rest of the 5 eyes in the most brutal way imaginable along with Japan to ultimately send a final message to the world what happens when you make China the enemy since the one thing about Chinese people that the west doesn’t seem to realise right now is that in ancient China, the Chinese would wait a few generations before taking brutal and complete revenge when the enemy has long forgotten what they have done. The principle to bidding time and building strength is still at play and given the comparative lack of military power from the rest of the 5eyes, well they have either two options in the future if there is one, do what nz did and try to mend ties or well, treat the colonist to the karma that have escaped ever since they wiped out the natives. Really given how isolated that these 5eyes are and likely will be in the future, well haha, I can see this building up to a conclusion where australia will be flattened by both Russia and China-for resources as an after thought and to rub things in, the world will stand by and watch like the EU did when Russia was dealing with Ukraine recently. The only thing keeping the rest of the 5eyes alive is the USA but really let’s see how long thing will go for and given that australia has spent the last couple of years angering China without stop or consideration that most of what they accuse China of is exactly what they have done themselves, I shudder to imagine what kind of vengeance that China will visit on Australia in the future and given the feeling of dread I feel nowadays from all the stupidity that is happening in the australia government right now it is likely that it will be extreme and horrifying although I do admit the prospects of Scomo being completely punished in such an event is something I may find quite enjoyable to what given is utter lack of a brain he has shown in the last couple of years.

fundamentally, I believe that Australia is complete out of is depth in regards to China since australia only seems to focus on the now and how they are feeling like that they are owning China in the media right now (even though no other nation really cares) not the future event that China will be prepared to take whatever action required to neutralise a problem (permanently) the fact that China has been so restraints right now is why I am feeling a bit worried in Australia, is that australia places too much hope in the USA for its defense and very little In actual diplomacy. I believe in the next 5 years, australia is going to reap what they sowed along with the collective west and I for one welcome this because these hypocrites have been messing the world up for far too long
 
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manqiangrexue

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Yes. IMO the Australia situation was embarrassing for China. Did it really have to create so so much fuss about Australia when it could just quickly and quietly sanction them and get over it?

Instead what China did, was to talk big, say about how much Australia depends on China, how poor Australia will become etc.. Look now whats happening, Australia is swimming in Chinese cash due to the China being "addicted" to iron ore.

I mean, before talking **** about how strong you are, and how you are going to damage them, how about you do your homework to check that you got all your bases covered. Instead they were caught with their pants down with being "forced" to enrich Australia by buying overpriced iron ore. And the next big iron ore mines will be opened at minimum 5 years later in Africa.

And who knows, it is Africa, maybe the US will pull some shenanigans and destabilize the region and all this effort goes to 0

Embarrassing.

Even that joke Morrison is mocking China
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^^ Thats what happens when you dont plan properly before barking about dealing economic damage by sanctions. You get laughed out of the room from all sides
You're the one whose embarrassing and being laughed out of the room. Did you even read the article that you posted?

These 3 are Morrison being conciliatory emphasizing the Sino-Australian relationship:

The relationship still exists, look at trade alone – there have never been bigger volumes. That’s a bit of a proof point. When all’s said and done, there’s still great value in the relationship,” he said."

Asked whether Beijing’s
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resembled the traditional Chinese lion dance, more dance than bite, the Prime Minister replied: “I don’t think that’s an unfair analysis. [But] it’s harder to make [that claim] now than a couple of years ago.”

Mr Morrison said he’d prefer better relations with the government of President Xi Jinping: “I would be very careful to suggest that this is where we want the relationship to be – we would like it to be in a much better place and I think they would like it to be in a much better place.”

This is the actual total effect on China's acceptance of Australian products:

Australia’s total merchandise exports to China in 2020 were worth $145.05 billion, down by $3.3 billion or just 2.2 per cent from the record high of the previous year, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
 

voyager1

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You seems to enjoy mocking at China
No. I enjoy mocking stupidity and baseless bravado which is not backed by something solid in reality

Scomo's flippant remark
The guy is an idiot but the numbers dont lie. Australia is making bank and will continue do so in the future. Iron Ore will forever be in demand


Australian economy is heavily dependent on China
^^This is the baseless bravado I was talking about just now. It seems China had your types in command which is why they have an egg on their face now

and when one abuse one's customer, surely the customer want to go elsewhere
Iron Ore sales to China show otherwise. The money Australia lost on Chinese sanction are getting them back from iron ore sales and then using that money to subsidise the sanctioned businesses. So as I said before, an egg on China's face


Right now the Aussies are just heavily dependent on iron ores
This is true. But Iron Ore will forever be in demand so ...


Who is to say that in a few years, their iron ores can still maintain the same price, given china's diversification measures.
Yes whatever. The US will just pull its usual shenanigans in Africa and destroy any Chinese efforts to build up their mines.
Watch China go "non-interference", while their mining project goes up to flames. It would be very entertaining to witness


I'm sorry but this a pretty bad take. I usually like your posts but this is way off. But I guess you dun live in Australia. I do and follow the local news daily with special attention towards their China section. Yes many Aus papers have a special online China section and special assigned reporters to write on China. Seriously doubt if Chinese papers have an Australian section.

In my observations, the whining, blustering, moaning, smearing, whingeing, between the two, 90% is from Aus gov and Aus media side. Mostly China kept quiet, so much so Australia officials were wondering why they are not answering our calls.

I would say compared to Aus side, China has been very restrained.
I am actually following Australia's media and I know about the infamous Murdoch controlled news there and their propaganda against China etc. My post was not about what Australia is doing, I dont care much about it actually
It was about how China responded to it with its media. Simple rule to follow, if you dont have your bases covered, stop barking

I have to agree that some propaganda stuff coming from Chinese media is pretty terrible. But who knows, maybe they are cultivating "right wing" and "left wing" type media in their system and provide some independent leeway. As whatever being said by us media/politican is not absolute, neither should it be for Chinese media/politician. We have just been trained (at least in the west), that the whole chinese system operates as 1 definite and absolute monolith.
Interesting opinion and I think you might have a point here, but it is too soon to say for sure.

However I will say that there is no way that Global Times was allowed to attack Australia without a nod from the higher ups from the CPC

Anyway, I will stop this offtopic convo here. We can move this to the world thread if needed. I will say it again though, that this is not for just mocking and accusing China mindlessly but about critising them for not doing their homework before barking about dealing economic damage
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Yes. IMO the Australia situation was embarrassing for China. Did it really have to create so so much fuss about Australia when it could just quickly and quietly sanction them and get over it?

Instead what China did, was to talk big, say about how much Australia depends on China, how poor Australia will become etc.. Look now whats happening, Australia is swimming in Chinese cash due to the China being "addicted" to iron ore.

I mean, before talking **** about how strong you are, and how you are going to damage them, how about you do your homework to check that you got all your bases covered. Instead they were caught with their pants down with being "forced" to enrich Australia by buying overpriced iron ore. And the next big iron ore mines will be opened at minimum 5 years later in Africa.

And who knows, it is Africa, maybe the US will pull some shenanigans and destabilize the region and all this effort goes to 0

Embarrassing.

Even that joke Morrison is mocking China
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^^ Thats what happens when you dont plan properly before barking about dealing economic damage by sanctions. You get laughed out of the room from all sides
Come on man, you're smarter than this comment. No one expected not least China that their recent actions against Australia is going to bear fruit within months considering the amount/volume of trades and contracts China and it's companies had with the kangaroo humping descendants of convicts. We should look at the data and trends a year or 2 from today and assess where the impact or how little to no effect the impact of China's actions made and go from there.

As for Morrison laughing at China, as a Chinese person I take that as a compliment since Scotty is a big joke not to mention Australia is even a bigger joke. How's their warmongering nonsense coming along crikey.
 
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