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BrightFuture

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Not really. No fighters were sent up to force it to land, nor were fake bomb threats made. The plane had to land due to issues regarding fuel levels.

Bolivia claimed that a number of countries closed their airspace, which appears to have been true. However, the plane had the option of reversing course to allow for a different route to be plotted after refuelling. It does not, for example, appea
So you are telling me that coercing a plane to land under the possibility of the plane running out of fuel, thus causing the death of its passengers, is not the same as coercing a plane to land under a fake bomb threat? I'm afraid you are wrong. Killing someone with poison is equally bad as killing someone with a gun (poison is less brutal, but the result is the same), just like raping someone is equally bad as coercing (by threats, etc) someone to have sex with you (aka also rape). If anything, you should condemn even more the incident with Evo, as it shows that the US helds so much power and influence that it can just force countries to close their airspaces to the plane of a maximum political representative of a country. Honestly scary.

Also, to add a bit more wood to the fire, I'm pretty sure if the case was the opposite – and it was China the one using its political power to close the airspaces of other countries – you would be the FIRST one here losing it. "Muh CCP, muh China is coercing other countries, muh wold controlled by CCP, blablabla", that would be you.

I wasn't aware of that, and most of the articles are from pro-Russian websites so I'm taking it with a pinch of salt. However, even those articles admit that the plane in question originated in the Ukraine. There is a big difference in ordering a plane to return to its departure airport (Ukraine 2016) and intercepting it in mid air over a third country that was neither the origin nor destination (this recent case).
Oh, so suddenly the problem is who owns the plane and where did it came from. Hahaha. Man, I'm sure if the plane was from Belarus, and it came from Belarus, you would be here spiting your usual pro-Western supremacy, Western whitewashing, falsely morally superior, hypocritical talking points.

See, that's the problem I have with you: you pretend to be someone that you are not. You try to convince yourself and others that you position is the "morally superior one"™, and that the West isn't actually the same or worse than those you criticise so much. There is nothing wrong with being real and admitting that you are supporting, whitewashing, and justifying a bunch of ruthless brutal imperialists. No need to validate yourself to not feel bad, or be a hypocrite, both sides are equally looking for their self-interests, that's the only truth.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Just a reminder that a country that has been willing to kill millions of civilians via nuclear warfare are the "good guys". It is a bit annoying that certain Asians with free acess to information haven't connected the dots that they are just cannon foddler in geopolitics

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The timing of this piece is intended to relay certain information.
 

weig2000

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The timing of this piece is intended to relay certain information.

It's part of the psy-op, but rather a lame one.

Firstly, the threat of nuclear war against mainland China over Taiwan in 1958 is nothing new, or something just disclosed. It's been known for a long time. It wasn't even the first time the US threatened to use nuclear weapon against China. General MacArthur publicly threatened to use nuclear weapon against China after CPVA entered the Korean War. He even actively promoted the idea to President Truman. I'm pretty sure the US military has contingency plan to nuclear weapons against China today, and China has plan to counter strike the US with nuclear weapons likewise. It's all part of the military planning.

Secondly, the nuclear wars had never materialized. Some said it was because of the concern of Soviet Union nuclear retaliation because the Soviet Union and China had mutual defense treaty back then. Today's China is a nuclear weapon state. Then what's the difference? In fact, the risk of getting nuclear retaliation is so much greater now that China itself has nuclear weapons versus the 1950's when the Soviet Union might or might not want to risk a nuclear war with the US on behalf of China.

Thirdly, the threat of nuclear war against China over her core national interest and territorial integrity had never worked before. It doesn't work today and it won't work in the future. As I said several times on SDF, PRC was the only country in the world that had fought a war with each of the superpowers during the Cold War: with the US in the 1950's and with the Soviet Union in the late 1960's. In fact, China even started a border war to punish the Vietnam for its aggressive behaviors in Southeast Asia in 1979, when Vietnam was the treaty ally of the Soviet Union with a vastly superior nuclear arsenal. If none of them deterred China from defending its core national interest and territorial integrity back when China was poor and weak, what makes NYT think that an implicit hint of nuclear war threat can scare today's China from defending its territory Taiwan?

Lastly, if the NYT report is meant to send a signal of threat, it actually reveals the lack of confidence of the US elites in defending Taiwan with conventional force against mainland China. Well, this fact has become increasingly clear, the NYT report is yet another piece of evidence.
 

AssassinsMace

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There were at least five instances where the US was considering nuking China. One was after China exploded its first nuke where the US actually tried to make a deal with the Soviet Union that they both nuke China and they would split China in half where the US and Soviet Union would take one half for themselves to rule. I'm trolling the alt-right and they literally believe they're the the good guys of the universe. When they hear about how the US on several occasions considered using nukes on China, of course it's because they're the good guys and there's a perfectly righteous reason and nothing evil on their part. I was arguing with someone who believed this and I said while you were thinking about what's good for the universe you were lynching black people up on trees and you think you care...? The Democrats aren't protecting China from these people. They brag about it today how the one thing Democrats and Republicans can agree on is China and it ain't the Republicans going left. It the Democrats going right. It ain't a liberal mentality winning that they're talking about. They're thinking how they're the two opposing sides of the universe and if they can agree on something , it must be because it's the right decision. Pay no mind its Western white people that control both sides and they anointed themselves as representing both and the only sides of the universe. They know they have to break the Chinese and they put the pieces back together in their image. Like they say... the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Evil people who hide behind doing it for the good go to hell first.
 

2handedswordsman

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Interesting action by Belarus.

It is not Iran, Russia, China or NK which can withstand the entire West pressure. What is the end game here.

Surely Belarus authorities knew that their action would be taken seriously and responded by the West
Belarus has a defence pact with Russia. The Belarus armed forces are "joint" Belarus-Russian. This "opposition journalist" found to be a Nazi lover. Good job Belarus. Zero tolerance to Nazi scums. Fun fact the secret services of Belarus are still called KGB
 

caudaceus

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Lastly, if the NYT report is meant to send a signal of threat, it actually reveals the lack of confidence of the US elites in defending Taiwan with conventional force against mainland China. Well, this fact has become increasingly clear, the NYT report is yet another piece of evidence
I thought that was the idea, when US military in West Pacific eroded significantly, introduce nuclear. Tactical nuclear munition from submarines will be the most likely. That's why I once asked about PLA's ASW.
 
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