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WTAN

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Disagree with your conclusion that EU will not go along.

ASML is just a company. History has shown that Gov can do whatever they want regardless to the wishes of the companies

Basically, the ASML is not representing the EU stance
Personally speaking i actually support a US and EU ban on Chip Making equipment to China.
This will basically force Chinese Industry to upgrade their Chip Manufacturing Equipment and start to produce more advanced DUVL and EUVL Lithographs rapidly.
The news that Empyrean has developed EDA to design 28nm Chips is a major breakthrough.
This restrictions on China is a once in a lifetime opportunity for China to breakfree from using US IP in the local Chip Manufacturing Process.

Any US and EU ban on selling Chip Making Equipment to China is based on the flawed assumption that China can't innovate etc.
This is a flawed assumption and will cost the US and EU dearly in the future.
Any bans will hit the sales of ASML, LAM, KLA TENCOR etc and will shrink their sales as China is the biggest market for their equipment. Less sales means less funds for R&D. More sales for Chinese companies will benefit the Chinese IC Industry.
If the US and EU are deluded enough to sanction, then it is handing the China market on a platter to SMEE, CTEC, NORTH etc.
However i expect the likes of ASML and US IC Equipment Manufacturers to push their case and try to derail this move to sanctions. They may or may not suceed but either way China will be the winner.
 

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Personally speaking i actually support a US and EU ban on Chip Making equipment to China.
This will basically force Chinese Industry to upgrade their Chip Manufacturing Equipment and start to produce more advanced DUVL and EUVL Lithographs rapidly.
The news that Empyrean has developed EDA to design 28nm Chips is a major breakthrough.
This restrictions on China is a once in a lifetime opportunity for China to breakfree from using US IP in the local Chip Manufacturing Process.

Any US and EU ban on selling Chip Making Equipment to China is based on the flawed assumption that China can't innovate etc.
This is a flawed assumption and will cost the US and EU dearly in the future.
Any bans will hit the sales of ASML, LAM, KLA TENCOR etc and will shrink their sales as China is the biggest market for their equipment. Less sales means less funds for R&D. More sales for Chinese companies will benefit the Chinese IC Industry.
If the US and EU are deluded enough to sanction, then it is handing the China market on a platter to SMEE, CTEC, NORTH etc.
However i expect the likes of ASML and US IC Equipment Manufacturers to push their case and try to derail this move to sanctions. They may or may not suceed but either way China will be the winner.
@WTAN Sir, I think what will happen is that Chinese FABS will force to used Chinese DUVL & EUVL (SMIC sanction is lesson to them all) while SK and TSMC and other Taiwanese FABS maker in China may used ASML. Sir what IF one of those foreign FABS used SMEE or CETC ? that for me is a worst case scenario for ASML, especially if the SMEE OR CETC is equivalent in tech, performance and is cheaper, with spare parts readily available since they operate in China it's a big plus! Sir ASML is issuing that dire warning, if one of those FABS maker do defect and operate a Chinese equipment others will surely follow suite and it will a tsunami, a serious competitor was born from nothing just a year ago. ;)

Sir their monopoly will be threaten in 2 years time (EUVL), if the Chinese equivalent do came up, they can't choose the winners anymore and that will have a geopolitical consequences. It will be a liberating factor for the US vassal states, being force to adhere against their national interest. And I do believed the Chinese will sell their equipment with favorable loans for them to set up FABS in China, just like what the American is doing now in Arizona, and for TSMC , Samsung and others it is a very nice opportunity for them to seized that moment.
 
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SMEE 60nm dry double-stage lithography machine was verified at ICRD. Domestic large silicon wafers, photoresist, etc. are also there to verify with the lithography machine. ICRD has replaced imported equipment on the 16nm and below process verification line with the exception of immersion lithography machines with domestic equipment. This line has a production capacity of about 5,000 wafers/year and is currently being test and verification.

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上微新干式双工件台光刻机在ICRD验证。国产大硅片、光刻胶等也一起在那里配合光刻机验证。ICRD已经把16nm及以下工艺验证线上除浸没光刻机外的其他一些进口设备全换成了国产设备,这条线产能约5000片/年,目前正在调试。
 

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SMEE 60nm dry double-stage lithography machine was verified at ICRD. Domestic large silicon wafers, photoresist, etc. are also there to verify with the lithography machine. ICRD has replaced imported equipment on the 16nm and below process verification line with the exception of immersion lithography machines with domestic equipment. This line has a production capacity of about 5,000 wafers/year and is currently being test and verification.

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上微新干式双工件台光刻机在ICRD验证。国产大硅片、光刻胶等也一起在那里配合光刻机验证。ICRD已经把16nm及以下工艺验证线上除浸没光刻机外的其他一些进口设备全换成了国产设备,这条线产能约5000片/年,目前正在调试。
@foofy Sir is there any news regarding Huawei 45nm FABS in Shanghai which is being run by ICRD?
 

Oldschool

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Wouldn't be nice if China were able to catch up to 90nm in 2005 and 28nm in 2015?

What do you think of this?

Smee 28nm won't be able to do 14nm with multipattern and 5 units plan to deliver in 2022, 10 units in 2023.

Each 28nm unit cost about 300million yuan

In 2024 , 14nm improved version will come out with dual stage working stages.

No, this updated 14nm litho equipment in 2024 won't able to do 7nm with multipatterning need another improvement

东方晶源微电子科技(北京)有限公司(简称东方晶源)集成电路检测装备研发生产基地项目作为承担国家重要战略

电子束晶圆缺陷检测设备(EBI)应用电子束扫描技术,对硅片表面进行高分辨率成像,通过智能算法检测制造过程中的物理和电气缺陷,为集成电路的开发与量产提供高精度的检测和良率解决方案,这是国内集成电路产业链供应链自主可控的关键一步。
它利用扫描电镜或叫电子束扫描的原理,通过一个高压加速的电子去打到硅片的表面产生的二次电子,然后通过一个传感器去检测二次电子,通过扫描同步的方式实现两维的图像,此两维图像能够达到纳米级的分辨率。

既然要造国产光刻机,那么光刻机曝光后的曝光质量检测也非常重要,也需要国产化。像关键尺寸量测这类设备以前100%依赖进口,国内仅东方晶源能造,东方晶源研发生产基地对于大规模量产这类设备和进一步研发适用于EUV的量测设备具有重要意义。

上海精测CD-SEM设备没有,这设备是和光刻机配套研发的

电子束缺陷检测设备(简称 EBI)与电子束关键尺寸测量设备(简称 CDSEM) 不是同一种设备,功能上有区别的。目前上海精测没有CDSEM设备,再说上海精测也不是光刻机产业联盟的成员,而东方晶源却是一直参与国产 28nm光刻机开发进程的。




时代不同了,现在上微不是一个人在战斗,比如本贴的东方晶源也是战友之一。再说当年90nm本来就不打算量产的,即使这样上微600系列的KrF,i-Line还是可以凑合用的,现在也有产线正在用,只不过产率底了些。


电子束关键尺寸测量不是光学测量,这种设备分辨率更高 用于光刻曝光后的线宽测量。上海精测没有这种产品



上微新干式双工件台光刻机在ICRD验证。国产大硅片、光刻胶等也一起在那里配合光刻机验证。ICRD已经把16nm及以下工艺验证线上除浸没光刻机外的其他一些进口设备全换成了国产设备,这条线产能约5000片/年,目前正在调试。

5000片/年关键是用全国产设备生产的。目前上海打造中国集成电路全产业链国产化体系建设正在加快推进中,ICRD 16nm以下工艺验证线重点建设自主可控集成电路产业链,为CPU、5G 通信芯片等核心产品提供自主制造的服务,为上海12 英寸生产线提供HKMG、FinFET 等关键共性工艺的研发服务,为国产装备及材料提供高水平验证服务,并可与大生产线进行无缝衔接。

不过明年2022至少还有5台28nm光刻机出货,2023年可以再出货10台左右。

假定28nm光刻机单价是3亿人民币,那么顺利的话上微2023年光是浸没光刻机的销售额就是30亿人民币左右


不能 14nm,否则就不叫28nm光刻机了

14nm , 2024年左右会有改进型号

24年能打通28nm全国产产业链也很牛逼了!

28nm节点平面晶体管不需要SADP,FinFET鳍型晶体管形成才需要


Dongfang Jingyuan Microelectronics Technology (Beijing) Co., Ltd. (referred to as Dongfang Jingyuan) integrated circuit testing equipment research and development and production base project as an important national strategy Electron beam wafer defect inspection equipment (EBI) uses electron beam scanning technology to perform high-resolution imaging on the surface of silicon wafers, and uses intelligent algorithms to detect physical and electrical defects in the manufacturing process, providing high precision for the development and mass production of integrated circuits This is a key step in the independent and controllable supply chain of the domestic integrated circuit industry chain. It uses the principle of scanning electron microscopy or electron beam scanning, through a high-voltage accelerated electron to hit the secondary electrons generated on the surface of the silicon chip, and then through a sensor to detect the secondary electrons, through the scanning synchronization method to achieve two-dimensional Image, this two-dimensional image can achieve nanometer resolution. Since the domestic lithography machine is to be manufactured, the exposure quality inspection after exposure of the lithography machine is also very important, and localization is also required. Previously, equipment such as critical dimension measurement was 100% dependent on imports, and only Dongfang Jingyuan can manufacture it in China. Dongfang Jingyuan's R&D and production base is of great significance for mass production of such equipment and further research and development of measuring equipment suitable for EUV. Shanghai Jingce CD-SEM equipment does not have, this equipment is the same as the lithography machine
 
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ICRD running for Huawei

Smee dry double-stage lithography machine was verified at ICRD. Domestic large silicon wafers, photoresist, etc. are also there to cooperate with the lithography machine to verify. ICRD has replaced some imported equipment on the 16nm and below process verification line with the exception of immersion lithography machines with domestic equipment. This line has a production capacity of about 5,000 pieces/year and is currently being debugged. The key of 5000 pieces/year is produced with national production equipment. At present, Shanghai is accelerating the construction of a localization system for China's integrated integrated circuit industry chain. The ICRD below 16nm process verification line focuses on building an independent controllable integrated circuit industry chain, providing independent manufacturing services for core products such as CPU and 5G communication chips. The Shanghai 12-inch production line provides R&D services for key common processes such as HKMG and FinFET, provides high-level verification services for domestic equipment and materials, and can seamlessly connect with large production lines.

上微新干式双工件台光刻机在ICRD验证。国产大硅片、光刻胶等也一起在那里配合光刻机验证。ICRD已经把16nm及以下工艺验证线上除浸没光刻机外的其他一些进口设备全换成了国产设备,这条线产能约5000片/年,目前正在调试。

5000片/年关键是用全国产设备生产的。目前上海打造中国集成电路全产业链国产化体系建设正在加快推进中,ICRD 16nm以下工艺验证线重点建设自主可控集成电路产业链,为CPU、5G 通信芯片等核心产品提供自主制造的服务,为上海12 英寸生产线提供HKMG、FinFET 等关键共性工艺的研发服务,为国产装备及材料提供高水平验证服务,并可与大生产线进行无缝衔接。
 

ansy1968

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What do you think of this?
Smee 28nm won't be able to do 14nm with multipattern and 5 units plan to deliver in 2022, 10 units in 2023
@Oldschool thanks for the info sir:), I thought 4units were already ship out , One for SMIC, YMTC, IRCD and Hua Hong? and are being verify?
Each 28nm unit cost about 300million yuan
At $45 million its very competive!:cool:
In 2024 , 14nm improved version will come out with dual stage working stages.



东方晶源微电子科技(北京)有限公司(简称东方晶源)集成电路检测装备研发生产基地项目作为承担国家重要战略

电子束晶圆缺陷检测设备(EBI)应用电子束扫描技术,对硅片表面进行高分辨率成像,通过智能算法检测制造过程中的物理和电气缺陷,为集成电路的开发与量产提供高精度的检测和良率解决方案,这是国内集成电路产业链供应链自主可控的关键一步。
它利用扫描电镜或叫电子束扫描的原理,通过一个高压加速的电子去打到硅片的表面产生的二次电子,然后通过一个传感器去检测二次电子,通过扫描同步的方式实现两维的图像,此两维图像能够达到纳米级的分辨率。

既然要造国产光刻机,那么光刻机曝光后的曝光质量检测也非常重要,也需要国产化。像关键尺寸量测这类设备以前100%依赖进口,国内仅东方晶源能造,东方晶源研发生产基地对于大规模量产这类设备和进一步研发适用于EUV的量测设备具有重要意义。

上海精测CD-SEM设备没有,这设备是和光刻机配套研发的

电子束缺陷检测设备(简称 EBI)与电子束关键尺寸测量设备(简称 CDSEM) 不是同一种设备,功能上有区别的。目前上海精测没有CDSEM设备,再说上海精测也不是光刻机产业联盟的成员,而东方晶源却是一直参与国产 28nm光刻机开发进程的。




时代不同了,现在上微不是一个人在战斗,比如本贴的东方晶源也是战友之一。再说当年90nm本来就不打算量产的,即使这样上微600系列的KrF,i-Line还是可以凑合用的,现在也有产线正在用,只不过产率底了些。


电子束关键尺寸测量不是光学测量,这种设备分辨率更高 用于光刻曝光后的线宽测量。上海精测没有这种产品



上微新干式双工件台光刻机在ICRD验证。国产大硅片、光刻胶等也一起在那里配合光刻机验证。ICRD已经把16nm及以下工艺验证线上除浸没光刻机外的其他一些进口设备全换成了国产设备,这条线产能约5000片/年,目前正在调试。

5000片/年关键是用全国产设备生产的。目前上海打造中国集成电路全产业链国产化体系建设正在加快推进中,ICRD 16nm以下工艺验证线重点建设自主可控集成电路产业链,为CPU、5G 通信芯片等核心产品提供自主制造的服务,为上海12 英寸生产线提供HKMG、FinFET 等关键共性工艺的研发服务,为国产装备及材料提供高水平验证服务,并可与大生产线进行无缝衔接。

不过明年2022至少还有5台28nm光刻机出货,2023年可以再出货10台左右。

假定28nm光刻机单价是3亿人民币,那么顺利的话上微2023年光是浸没光刻机的销售额就是30亿人民币左右


不能 14nm,否则就不叫28nm光刻机了

14nm , 2024年左右会有改进型号

24年能打通28nm全国产产业链也很牛逼了!

28nm节点平面晶体管不需要SADP,FinFET鳍型晶体管形成才需要


Dongfang Jingyuan Microelectronics Technology (Beijing) Co., Ltd. (referred to as Dongfang Jingyuan) integrated circuit testing equipment research and development and production base project as an important national strategy Electron beam wafer defect inspection equipment (EBI) uses electron beam scanning technology to perform high-resolution imaging on the surface of silicon wafers, and uses intelligent algorithms to detect physical and electrical defects in the manufacturing process, providing high precision for the development and mass production of integrated circuits This is a key step in the independent and controllable supply chain of the domestic integrated circuit industry chain. It uses the principle of scanning electron microscopy or electron beam scanning, through a high-voltage accelerated electron to hit the secondary electrons generated on the surface of the silicon chip, and then through a sensor to detect the secondary electrons, through the scanning synchronization method to achieve two-dimensional Image, this two-dimensional image can achieve nanometer resolution. Since the domestic lithography machine is to be manufactured, the exposure quality inspection after exposure of the lithography machine is also very important, and localization is also required. Previously, equipment such as critical dimension measurement was 100% dependent on imports, and only Dongfang Jingyuan can manufacture it in China. Dongfang Jingyuan's R&D and production base is of great significance for mass production of such equipment and further research and development of measuring equipment suitable for EUV. Shanghai Jingce CD-SEM equipment does not have, this equipment is the same as the lithography machine
@Oldschool I'm deflated :(, thanks for tempering my expectation sir, I'm hoping that late next year a complete domestic14nm line is operational.:(
 

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@Oldschool thanks for the info sir:), I thought 4units were already ship out , One for SMIC, YMTC, IRCD and Hua Hong? and are being verify?

At $45 million its very competive!:cool:

@Oldschool I'm deflated :(, thanks for tempering my expectation sir, I'm hoping that late next year a complete domestic14nm line is operational.:(
No, no, nothing delivered . Just rumor that it first assembled with 30 % yield.

It's projected by 2025, 28nm DUV established and 14nm just come out.

So, EUV has to come out sooner to pick up for DUV
 
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