Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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weig2000

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First, let's talk about Trump. Does Trump hate China? I'd say no, not at all. Okay, maybe a little due to the fact that COVID-19 ruined his re-election chances. Trump can be vindictive like that. Apart from that, everything Trump did during his term was to ensure his re-election.

Bannon and Navarro are just pawns of a higher power. They were picked by Trump because they aligned with Trump's support base, which was the rabidly anti-establishment conservatives. Now remember my analogy about Dukes and Barons? Well, there's also an Archbishop in there, and that is of course the religious fundamentalists. The evangelical church resemble, in many ways, a corporation. Some would say they are a pyramid scheme. In any case, they share much of the same motivations as corporations. Their business is converting people to their beliefs, because converts are their source of income. Now add to that the fact that the evangelical church has had a hand in China's pocket since the days of the Opium War. Put yourself in their shoes. Their "golden age" in China was when China was weak, divided, and hooked up on opium. When the Communists came into power, they were summarily booted out, and only came back in the last 30 years with the market reforms, and they basically had to restart everything from scratch. It should be pretty obvious where their interests lie.

Finally, Pompeo is your typical sociopathic opportunist. Normal human beings do not like to lie, that's why most of us are really bad at it. It's an evolutionary trait that allows people to trust each other and work together. However, there are some individuals who simply lack this trait. They can lie without the slightest tinge of guilt, and have a completely lack of empathy. To these individuals, people are tools, to be used and discarded without an afterthought. If, hypothetically, Pompeo had seen some way of benefiting from improving US-China relations, he'd be singing Xi Jinping's praise all day long. Pompeo, of course, was trying to ride on Trump's coattails and make a name for himself in preparation for 2024. That said, it should also be quite obvious that as a former CIA director, Pompeo is firmly in the pocket of the MIC.

Your analogy is beautiful and seductive, upon which a nice theory can be built. The problem is it does not explain the reality convincingly.

This discussion is getting too winded for my appetite. I've made my arguments and you can have the rest of the show. :)
 

ansy1968

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There are no forever friends, only shared interests.

The Russian - China friendship will last for however long it can last.
@Petrolicious88 you're right bro its a marriage of necessity, but it is being look upon by others as an ideal set up instead of the current vassal system the US is operating. The much vaunted QUAD is quickly disintegrating the reason it was driven with American interest in mind instead of share concern which is conflicting. That is why China best defense is to open its market more for its periphery and semi peripheral neighbors. Those US bases will be seen as a threat instead of security.
 

BlackWindMnt

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@Petrolicious88 you're right bro its a marriage of necessity, but it is being look upon by others as an ideal set up instead of the current vassal system the US is operating. The much vaunted QUAD is quickly disintegrating the reason it was driven with American interest in mind instead of share concern which is conflicting. That is why China best defense is to open its market more for its periphery and semi peripheral neighbors. Those US bases will be seen as a threat instead of security.
In the current global setup Russian security has become Chinese security. If Russia falls to NATO's pressure NATO will have a high way into China and they are ready to pillage. China's interests should be to make Russia capable enough to defend its western borders, get Iran to secure the west Asia borders and decline NATO entry into central Asia. Same for Pakistan to secure the south Asian borders.

I think the Mongol empire and their spheres of influences, at least that is how I see it.
Russia = Khanate of the Golden Horde
China = Khanate of the great khan
Iran = Ilkhanate
Pakistan = Chagatai khanate

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Off course its not a one to one translation but its something you can look back at historically. Or maybe I'm completely wrong but time will tell. But given the last 2 weeks it seems decades of planning has been put into motion.
 

ansy1968

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In the current global setup Russian security has become Chinese security. If Russia falls to NATO's pressure NATO will have a high way into China and they are ready to pillage. China's interests should be to make Russia capable enough to defend its western borders, get Iran to secure the west Asia borders and decline NATO entry into central Asia. Same for Pakistan to secure the south Asian borders.

I think the Mongol empire and their spheres of influences, at least that is how I see it.
Russia = Khanate of the Golden Horde
China = Khanate of the great khan
Iran = Ilkhanate
Pakistan = Chagatai khanate

11439.png


Off course its not a one to one translation but its something you can look back at historically. Or maybe I'm completely wrong but time will tell. But given the last 2 weeks it seems decades of planning has been put into motion.
@BlackWindMnt hahaha, bro we share the same idea, this UNDERSTANDING with Iran, China and Russia (with the former Soviet Republic) is like the rebirth of the Mongol Empire. That landmass provide huge strategic depth for all side, even the US forces in Afghanistan will not play any significant contribution (it is a liability for the US supplying those forces). So can the US concentrate its forces in one theater? will her allies willingly sacrifice themselves for her cause? these question will haunt its vassal as they had to absorb the full might of the assault therefore questioning the viability of their security arrangement.
 
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AndrewS

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In the current global setup Russian security has become Chinese security. If Russia falls to NATO's pressure NATO will have a high way into China and they are ready to pillage. China's interests should be to make Russia capable enough to defend its western borders, get Iran to secure the west Asia borders and decline NATO entry into central Asia. Same for Pakistan to secure the south Asian borders.

I think the Mongol empire and their spheres of influences, at least that is how I see it.
Russia = Khanate of the Golden Horde
China = Khanate of the great khan
Iran = Ilkhanate
Pakistan = Chagatai khanate

11439.png


Off course its not a one to one translation but its something you can look back at historically. Or maybe I'm completely wrong but time will tell. But given the last 2 weeks it seems decades of planning has been put into motion.

I think these comparisons with the Mongol Khanates are a stretch for today's situation.
 

BlackWindMnt

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I think these comparisons with the Mongol Khanates are a stretch for today's situation.
Agree but I see it more like how Russia, China and Iran each can have their sphere of influences in the future. They will cooperate to keep conflict at a minimum and communicate red lines to each other, but I most certainly expect conflict to flare up so now and then. I don't see a US/EU/NATO like alliance between those spheres.
 

voyager1

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Is there a precedent to referring to the admin as President-Vice President administration?

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No precedent. This is a very clear signal on who actually governs and who is the puppet..

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Better for Biden to say publicly what we all know and go to his retirement home so that he can live the rest of his life peacefully and comfortably
 
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