Chinese semiconductor industry

[quantumlight]

Would love to see the US try to ban “copper wiring” and “low k materials”, as if those are somehow impossible cutting edge inputs to substitute.

Yes, ten times harder than solving nuclear fusion, they say.

 

[AssassinsMace]

When Trump banned selling chips to China, it means all of China. I don't care if it's specific entities within China. It means the ban will eventually be all of China. So China should stop thinking they'll have another avenue to buy chips and instead focus on making their own. Just imagine how far more ahead China would be if there weren't inferiority complex Chinese that need brand recognition and association with the West in order to have a false sense of value of themselves? Any Chinese who thinks they can get the US to like them is delusional and wasting time. My friends and I often jokingly but realistically talk about if were leaders of a country what we would do? Would we be benevolent or would we be more of strong-armed dictator? I make no qualms that if I was leader of China, I would execute anyone in a government position who has an inferiority complex and believes that submitting to the US/West is the best course for China. Those people are only thinking about themselves at the sacrifice of everyone else.

 

[gelgoog]

Would love to see the US try to ban “copper wiring” and “low k materials”, as if those are somehow impossible cutting edge inputs to substitute.

I don't know about copper wiring, but some low k materials are proprietary and may have unknown manufacturing processes.
Off the top of my head I can think of the "Black Diamond" low-k material from Applied Materials for example.

 

[AssassinsMace]

If things are already out there to know how to make, who gives a crap about IP? Remember Congress under Trump wanted to pass laws that allowed US companies to violate Chinese IP rights on 5G technology so the US could produce domestic 5G. If what they say that China can and has stolen any blue print of US technology is true, who gives a damn if China violates their IP if they so freely think they can violate Chinese IP rights... That precedent they set will destroy the West economically.

 

[latenlazy]

I don't know about copper wiring, but some low k materials are proprietary and may have unknown manufacturing processes.
Off the top of my head I can think of the "Black Diamond" low-k material from Applied Materials for example.

Chemistry is always tricky but it’s also a field where there are a lot of different paths towards equivalent outcomes. What often decides advantages here is not the product materials themselves but the techniques needed for industrial and economic efficiency to make them at high yields. This matters a lot as a disadvantage for Chinese industry when there’s open competition. Not so much when a ban creates a situation without alternatives.

 

[localizer]

No matter what they do to us, the setback will only be temporary. Chinese have learned a lot and knowledge cannot be taken away from us unless they kill us. All those sacrifices we've made throughout our lives will pay off.

We're not a a people destined for middle income trap. Unlike other developing nations, China's economy does not depend on generosity of the developed world.


There's a baseline how far back they can send China. And it won't be stone age like they want.

 

[Tyler]

Chinese Americans should just continue to do what they are doing: stay the backbone of US tech industry while continuing to acquire a disproportionate amount of wealth created in the US, while at same time continuing to be unable to compete with their peers in China. Result is China continues to pull ahead in tech, and more and more wealth in US is controlled by ethnic Chinese.

In Silicon Valley, it is the Indians that are hogging many positions of power.

 

[j17wang]

No matter what they do to us, the setback will only be temporary. Chinese have learned a lot and knowledge cannot be taken away from us unless they kill us. All those sacrifices we've made throughout our lives will pay off.

We're not a a people destined for middle income trap. Unlike other developing nations, China's economy does not depend on generosity of the developed world.


There's a baseline how far back they can send China. And it won't be stone age like they want.

They wont be able to set us back that much. Lets be real, the US COULD set china back to the technology of America in 2015. I'm pretty sure if China got even close to the GDP per capita of America in 2015 it would have long been game over for that empire. Either way, I'm pretty sure the liberation movements in the US will offer a meaningful distraction to that goal.

 

[OppositeDay]

Some crisis is good. Chinese science has some deep structural problems. Poor pay and low job security for young researchers. The publish or perish system(much worse than the U.S.) Most resources being controlled by big-shots. If the threat of U.S. technological embargo fails to jolt the government into necessary reforms, then we sort of deserve it.

 

[localizer]

Some crisis is good. Chinese science has some deep structural problems. Poor pay and low job security for young researchers. The publish or perish system(much worse than the U.S.) Most resources being controlled by big-shots. If the threat of U.S. technological embargo fails to jolt the government into necessary reforms, then we sort of deserve it.

we'll see, so far Chinese gov't is pretty supportive of private tech sector, especially in the south.


but a strong tech sector requires a strong underlying economy as well, which i think needs more reform. A scientist's pay can go much further if everything is cheaper and yuan is stronger for example. (lower rent/mortgage/food/education prices/utilities)