Currently throwing tantrums simply because PRC stopped buying their pineapples rotflmao please choose better exemplars for demonstrating long-term thinking
Ladakh Flash Point
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I don't see any point in continuing the debate of who has won and who has lost.
might as well agree to disagree and move on, unless and until fresh evidences come up that give merits to further discussion and debate.
I would just say that a new status quo and LAC has been established, to the "satisfaction" of both sides. Now hopefully both countries will move on from there and live happily ever after with each other as peaceful neighbours.
but if the Indian side is not happy and itching for round 2, then so be it, BRING IT ON. But this time around, there won't be any ambush of PLA front line negotiation party allowed, because the PLA has seen through Indian shameful cowardice and lack of virtue.
round 2, operation Dead Snow Leopard.
might as well agree to disagree and move on, unless and until fresh evidences come up that give merits to further discussion and debate.
I would just say that a new status quo and LAC has been established, to the "satisfaction" of both sides. Now hopefully both countries will move on from there and live happily ever after with each other as peaceful neighbours.
but if the Indian side is not happy and itching for round 2, then so be it, BRING IT ON. But this time around, there won't be any ambush of PLA front line negotiation party allowed, because the PLA has seen through Indian shameful cowardice and lack of virtue.
round 2, operation Dead Snow Leopard.
manqiangrexue
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Whatever the strategy, it's working. China is growing at a pace unprecedented in human history and is in a better position today to win every conflict than it was decades ago. And in the coming decades, we will arrive at a point where China can win these conflicts easily, and eventually, without combat. If the CCP behaved by your standards, which is allowing (personal?) insecurities that drive a desperate fear of being perceived as cowardly to dictate action over long-term strategy, China may very well be a giant North Korea now.
The PLA Indian media suspected to be a Pakistanis commando has officially been confirmed to be a Uighur officer named Mai Wu Lan (sinized translation). He is affectionately known as Colonel Big Beard amongst Chinese netizens due to his lustrous facial hair. Here is a photo of him and a photo of his mother and sister to the right.
I dont remember where i read it but apparently his beard grows way too fast. As it was not possible for him to shave daily in that harsh weather, he was given special permission to keep it.
Day dreaming by Indian military commanders
Indian media is afraid of Pakistani and Chinese soldiers,their faces bring bad dreams to Indian military commanders,Indian fake media is notorious for paddling fake news
I don’t understand how this is supposed to prove that Indian patrols didn’t go up to finger 8... and the point is not regular patrols... it is that there were patrols and that there was the perceived right to patrol on the Indian side, and Chinese side for that matter, if these 2 conditions have changed since the disengagement agreement then the situation is by definition not status quo ante... I also don’t know why you think Nitin Gokhale is a ‘good’ analyst... his ‘analysis’ if you can even call it that are extremely bias... there is practically no objectivity in his work at all...
Now on to what the retired Col. S. Dinny said and if you go to the video at 7:47 - 8:10 he specifically said and I quote:
Following this they continue to discuss the patrols and how the disengagement which includes the agreement of no patrols will be good for peace and tranquillity etc... and then go on to assert how this will strengthen Indian claim on the area, I assume they mean finger 4-8, without really giving any reason other than the Chinese agreeing to moving back after which they move onto other related topics... I have no idea how this ‘analyst’ can even be considered an analyst he literally just says what his audience wants to hear and find whatever little morsel of info to back it up without really considering the bigger picture whatsoever...
I advice everyone to listen to that little bit on the timestamps I pointed out... the discussion was painful to listen to and you will find yourself asking why a lot... just delusional arguments after delusional arguments...
If you were referring to some posts just prior, then I have to disagree.
They want to set a narrative that
1. India achieved all its "strategic goals".
Not explaining what these goals were prior to Ladakh and what makes them strategic and how they achieved it.
2.China had to "retreat".
As if India didn't and buffer zones were created in India's perception and possession of LAC.
3. China initiated the conflict.
Not discounting it but media evidences point to Indian aggression at Galwan rather than China that initiated it. No counter evidences.
Agreeing to disagree means allowing some people to repeat what they want to, without obstruction. That would set the narrative that Chinese has one set of fact and India has another and both are right.
Leave it. I wouldn't bother. Chinese soldiers then ought to be taken as reliable and infallible sources too.
The claim I've some issue with is how all this is advantageous to India or according to its strategic goals - a very bad cope if there was one.
I fully understand your sentiments.
but you are not going to win our Indian friends over to your side, no matter how hard you try.
if they can ignore hard evidence including a real video, and stick to their narrative, then all sensible arguments and debate are not going to change them.
let them enjoy their delusional win, we would just enjoy the fruits of success of the newly established LAC to China's favour.
but you are not going to win our Indian friends over to your side, no matter how hard you try.
if they can ignore hard evidence including a real video, and stick to their narrative, then all sensible arguments and debate are not going to change them.
let them enjoy their delusional win, we would just enjoy the fruits of success of the newly established LAC to China's favour.
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